I've been having arguments constantly with one of my friends who claims that TMac is a better player then Kobe. Like them both of them took the teams to the next level all by themself. Like TMac this season having a great season with out Yao and still making them in a playoff picture. Also Kobe last year, was basically a one man team and once Phil came back they made the playoffs after coming off a horrible season the year before. He also dropped 81 and just had a career year. But whatever I say how much Kobe is better then TMac he just doesn't listen to me and says Kobe sucks. Don't if its just to piss me off though.What are your thoughts?
Kobe.It's funny, skill and talent wise these players are very similar. They play alike, both underrated passers, their games in terms of scoring are very similar, they can get hotter than anyone else in the league, etc...What seperates them is that Kobe is a more efficient scorer, much more clutch, can lockdown defensively, and a better leader. He also has accomplished a lot more in his career in the postseason, and it can't be ignored despite him having Shaq. T-Mac is slightly better playmaker and rebounder, but that's about it.
yeah what nitro said pretty much sums it up. kobe is more consistent usually putting up 25+ every night, while mcgrady is capable of that, just doesn't put in as much effort
I'm also thinking that Kobe is a better defender then Tmac all around but then I'm not too sure. Kobe is better at getting steals and blocking.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bobby @ Mar 5 2007, 06:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Kobe. He flat out better than tmac, and he doesn't he doesn't get half as many injurys as tmac has.</div>T-Mac has had ONE injury prone season, and that was last year. This year, for the most part, he has been injury free. Kobe has been injured quite a bit in his career (this year, 04-05, part of 03-04, 00-01, etc...). So that is not a true statement at all.
This is obviously Kobe..Kobe is probably better at almost everything. TMac is great at all the things that Kobe excels at, but Kobe just has the edge in most categories.
T-mac just isn't as dominant as Kobe and he isn't as consistent. They are both capable of putting up huge games, but Kobe does it night in and night out.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (41nowitzness41 @ Mar 5 2007, 07:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>T-mac just isn't as dominant as Kobe and he isn't as consistent. They are both capable of putting up huge games, but Kobe does it night in and night out.</div>How isn't T-Mac consistent? He had back to back scoring titles, and with Yao out was at 29/6/5.
Kobe They are both very similar and both can take over games. I just think Kobe has an advanatage because yeah he has had some injuries but they haven't been nagging him like T-Mac. T-Mac seems fragile to me, those back spasms are nothign to pass over. Those have been consistently bothering him all season as well as last season. Those spasms just don't come and go either, they can stick around for the rest of his life.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (WELCOMEtotheJUNGLE @ Mar 5 2007, 07:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Kobe They are both very similar and both can take over games. I just think Kobe has an advanatage because yeah he has had some injuries but they haven't been nagging him like T-Mac. T-Mac seems fragile to me, those back spasms are nothign to pass over. Those have been consistently bothering him all season as well as last season. Those spasms just don't come and go either, they can stick around for the rest of his life.</div>His spasms last year and in that one stretch early this season are NOT related to his chronic issue. Since he has went to that specialist in December he has had NO issues with his back (he missed 2 games that were unrelated to his back). Kobe has had several feet, ankle, and shoulder problems throughout his career that will probably catch up with him as he ages. He has missed about as much time in the past 5-7 years as T-Mac has, and has had much more of a variety of injuries.
Put Kobe up agaisnt anybody and he is going to be better. He is a little bit better of a scorer than T-Mac, he is a better defender, he has proven to be a great leader, and I think that Kobe is a better passer as well. Both of these guys are good at the same things offensivley, but Kobe is just a little bit better at all of them.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ballerman2112 @ Mar 5 2007, 08:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Put Kobe up agaisnt anybody and he is going to be better. He is a little bit better of a scorer than T-Mac, he is a better defender, he has proven to be a great leader, and I think that Kobe is a better passer as well. Both of these guys are good at the same things offensivley, but Kobe is just a little bit better at all of them.</div>I agree with everything except passing/plkaymaking. Kobe is a bit fancier, but T-Mac is better at setting up teammates, the offense, and making the play. before this season never averaged more than 3 TO's, so he is efficient in how he does it. His playmaking is why the Rockets are 2-8 without him this year, and 34-under 20 losses with him.
Nitro, I said TMac wasn't AS consistent as Kobe. You hardley ever see Kobe have an off game. There are some times when tracy scores 20 something one night, 5-10 the next night, and then have a 30 point game the game after.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Nitro1118 @ Mar 5 2007, 10:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I agree with everything except passing/plkaymaking. Kobe is a bit fancier, but T-Mac is better at setting up teammates, the offense, and making the play. before this season never averaged more than 3 TO's, so he is efficient in how he does it. His playmaking is why the Rockets are 2-8 without him this year, and 34-under 20 losses with him.</div>No. Stop defending T-Mac every chance that you get. The Rockets do bad without T-Mac just like ALL teams in the NBA ussually do bad without their best player. He is not a playmaker. He is a scorer. I have seen Kobe be a playmaker with the best of them, and his flashiness is part of that play making. He is a better passer. period. If you disagree, you must never watch him play.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (41nowitzness41 @ Mar 6 2007, 01:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Nitro, I said TMac wasn't AS consistent as Kobe. You hardley ever see Kobe have an off game. There are some times when tracy scores 20 something one night, 5-10 the next night, and then have a 30 point game the game after.</div>Kobe has alot off shooting games. But even if his shot is off, he manafactures points somehow. He isn't like the gilbert arenas type who when his shot is off, scores 15 points.
Also, before this season I would've said mac is a better passer but I'm going to say it's a tie now. Kobe can Run the pick and roll like a pg and I'm not lying. He is also one of the best guards at penetrating and kicking it out.
It's Kobe but I wouldn't say he is that much better. Both are very dangerous of scoring a lot of points. T. Mac does have a lot of off games though which is why I pick Kobe. A couple years ago I thought T. Mac was just as good but Kobe has raised his game since than and T. Mac keeps getting injured.
Both were very similar in 02-03 but now Kobe is much better because of T-Mac's injuries have slowed his career down. IMO they would be very close if T-Mac played atleast 75 games every season. Kobe is the better scorer and has killer instinct at which T-Mac hasnt reached. T-Mac is 6-8 and ahs a lean body but he is bigger so he is the better rbounder. As for playmaking I would say they are equal. Kobe is muhc better than T-Mac on Defense.
