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What is it with this team's obsession with shooting 3 point shots? And why do our big men have to be a part of that equation?

Don't get me wrong: our guards are more than up to the task, and that should be a job for THEM, not our bigs.

I'm starting to think that might actually not be a Stotts problem, but rather a Management problem (Olshey?). We need bigs who can box out the paint and give our guards lanes to run into. And I really don't think Collins is that type of guy. Yet.

This whole obsession with drafting bigs who can shoot 3s needs to fucking stop. It hasn't worked with Meyers, and there is little point of having someone with that size outside the paint.

 

Welcome to today's NBA. Do the names Kevin Love and Draymond Green ring a bell?

 

I'm not talking about Position, I'm talking about size. I'm talking about guys who are 7' or close. Love is 6-9, and I imagine Green is probably close to that. My definition of a traditional "Big" is someone who's 6-10 or bigger.

 

I had that EXACT same tie - in 1985. Is 80s nostalgia a thing now? God I hope not, at my age if I start wearing my sunglasses at night, I'll wreck my car.

BNM

 

Well after seeing the post right above you, with his sense of style being that European.. it's destiny

 

Umm yeah, nice rant except for one thing. Meyers wasn't a big who could shoot the 3 when we drafted him. He made exactly one 3-pointer in his two year college career

Exactly what other bigs have we drafted that can shoot 3s?

I just went back over 20 years, and prior to Collins and Swanigan, I can't find a single big man who was a 3-point shooter at the time we drafted them. The only one that even comes close is Luke Babbitt, but technically we did not draft him and at 6'9" he doesn't meet your definition of a big man.

And if you're worried about Collins camping out at the 3-point line, he only made ten three pointers in his one-year college career. I think the point is not that he shoots a lot of them, but that the few he does attempt he converts at a high percentage.

BNM

 

It good that he can make a shot from 18 ft and longer. But the 3 point shot won't be his bread butter at the next level. Bread butter will be low post and the shot from free throw line and just inside the 3 point line. What going to happen that going to open the lane up for our guards. Collins also set really good screens that also will help our guards. On defense if he can guard the pick roll or guard the other teams power fowards then we got something with Nurk and Collins on the floor at the same time.

 

Isn't that what they said about Meyers when he got drafted?

 

The differnce is one don't mind contact and the other hates it. So with Collins he can be effect either the inside or outside. ML he only effected at 3 point line sometimes. 2 players totally different.

 

He's lookin' sharp but he might want to rethink the length of those trousers....those are waders...cool loafers though

 

With the way the NBA is played today, you really need guys who can guard and switch on the perimeter. A lot of you guys praise this kids defense, so hopefully his feet are quick enough to do that.

 

I've seen a few comps for Collins to Laimbeer, but one of the earliest ones came last season from a competing coach after a game. The same coach said Collins was "as mean as a rattlesnake." [giddy smile comes across my face]

 

We're complaining that he's too good of a shooter now? I get that some people need to always complain, but that's the best that you can do??

 

The race discussion is completely out of line regardless of how you try to defend or justify it. To say a player is more limited based on his race and then compounding it with geographic origin of birth... smh seriously if you keep using that as a deciding factor you're probably just an asshole all the way around. Until we can judge an individual for their individual capabilities rather than ethnicity we will continue to have limited our own mental capacity. Most of you should spend some time researching the draft combine testing.

Now on to comparing Collins to Leonard. Meyers in college played in 65 games he took 12 3 pointers and made 1 of them... by no means was he drafted for his ability to stretch the floor. Stotts has wanted a stretch 4 all along and tried to develop Meyers into one, which not only was a mistake IMO it also destroyed Meyers development arc by taking him away from his natural tool set.

 

I disagree with that aspect. It's easy to forget that Meyers and CJ had breakout seasons the same year, and Meyers arguably more so. They were our two best players against Memphis in the playoffs that year. The difference is, CJ stayed on that growth curve while Meyers regressed. His game didn't change, it just got worse.

 

His decline started when they moved him to the 4.

 

Or was it injuries?

Meyers was already primarily a deep shooter at the 5.