If KCP/Otto Porter get max deals..

That's almost certainly true. But do they still believe that? Another year of no career progression while moving another year closer to his theoretical prime is a relatively big deal when it comes to projecting him forward.

 

What about the people who think he's a decent player that has a bad contract but it's not the end of the world?

 

You have the flexibility to pick your side in the Crabbe Wars. But pick carefully--the eventual victors may not leave many of the other side alive. Not choosing a side will surely doom you as well.

 

So give ET a clear cut role. Have him guard the other team's best perimeter scorer. He is basically the same size as Roberson. What big SF's can he not guard? (Besides the ones no one can cover)

 

I do think he has depressed his value, but he'd still find a deal for at least 15 million a year though I would think.

 

Roberson played better against a far worse team. Roberson also played *out of his mind* in the playoffs shooting 42% from 3 (mainly because there weren't rockets players within 10 ft of him when he shot, as they were disrupting everyone else on offense). Admittedly, he did very well on Harden. They still got destroyed due to their inability to score, facilitate or defend. OKC fans and reporters seem to agree. All signs also point to them letting him walk this off-season due to his inability on offense. Your clear cut role doesn't mean jackshit when it puts you so far negative on the offensive side of the ball. Elite defense doesn't make up for high school offense. It takes a historical season from Russ to keep you in contention, kind of like when the Suns guarded Batum with Steve Nash. It was great Batum could defend, but they ignored him on offense and it screwed our entire offense. There are a lot of really good defenders who aren't in the league because they can't make a shot.

Evan Turner' role is to relieve ball handling duties from Dame/CJ, allow them to play off the ball, direct the offense and gives us different lineup combinations while keeping more than 1 primary ballhandler on the court. Also, it's not like he can't shoot. He's not a great 3pt shooter. He is decent midrange. Also, he can take advantage of smaller ballhandlers (I recall him posting up Steph Curry, for instance) and to be honest, not a lot of size at SF that I'm worried about bullying ET. There are only a couple BIG sfs in the league and ET actually competes pretty well vs Durant and LBJ, with the extra juice in the tank I guess.

 

I don't even know what percentage of the league would fit that definition. Unless your team is nothing but rookies with high upside, most teams are full of liabilities.

 

I highly doubt this. I bet Brooklyn valued Crabbe, at or above, that price over the contract or else they wouldn't have offered it. They have to consider the fact that if it is such an outrageous offer, they might get stuck with it. They are still a business. With Wes/Millsap, we valued them at a certain price when they were undervalued. We sent a 'toxic' offer. We felt they were worth the 'toxic' offer. Brooklyn, for better or worse, probably felt Crabbe was worth near that value - or else they would be sending the same offer to every player if it was just about throwing out ridiculous RFA offers that they assume will be matched.

Kanter is another player that comes to mind. Olshey made that offer knowing good and well we could end up with him at that salary.

 

If I pay $500 for a stick of gum, I didn't over-pay, because I was obviously willing to pay that amount so I paid the market value for it.

 

Who thinks Crabbe is 'very good'? Yikes lol

He is worth his salary based on the average rotation player seemingly getting 20+ million is all I'm trying to say.

 

Not quite. Market value is what the average person would pay, not what one person would pay.

 

He can't guard PGs the way Roberson can. He just does not have the lateral quickness. And, of course, he does not have the length to guard Durant. Aminu and Harkless are better suited to that match up.

And you see, that's the problem. In OKC, Roberson is the clear cut best player they have for all of those match ups. Turner is only the best player for very specific match ups. So, you can't really give him that kind of clear cut role.

BNM

 

I wasn't aiming that at you. I do get the sense that his biggest fans on this board think he'd make a strong starter but he just doesn't get to show that on this team.

 

If sticks of gum the following year started going for $625, you'd look pretty smart though, huh?

 

Ah, well, I understand the divisiveness then. He's a nice rotation piece, imo.

 

I was being sarcastic.

 

But if gumballs were still only a dime, you'd look pretty stupid.

When something becomes overpriced, it's always prudent to look at the alternatives. Crabbe is essentially being paid starter money, because BRK viewed him as a starter. He will never be a starter here. So, for what we are getting out of him, a below average 6th man, he is overpaid.

BNM

 

& maybe one day you'll realize that just because others are making poor decisions doesn't mean that you are required to do so as well. If a team chooses to spend a high percentage of it's money on mediocre talent, they won't have that money available to spend when better opportunities present themselves for competing for a championship. For the Blazers to be a relevant, it is especially important for them to make good use of their available contract $$$ as they don't have the endorsement opportunities that others do. Maybe you've noticed that good FA players are going to teams with other great/good players and not to teams filled with mediocre talents who're tied up longterm?

STOMP

 

I agree he can not guard PG's but he can guard SG's and SF's much the same way Wes did. With a big line up of Nurk and Collins, I don't mind seeing CJ, Dame, and ET in there together. 3 players who can actually dribble and pass. ET plays physical like Wes did. Sure some tall SF's will shoot over him but others will get it stripped if they try to put the ball on the floor.

Plus the years he started, he had better rebounding numbers than Harkless.