Re: Why Can't People Admit Kobe is the Best in the NBA? <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (RaptorFan#1 @ Mar 9 2007, 09:05 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>There is no way that Duncan is better than Kobe. Kobe because of his quickness can play Tim Duncan's position, but try inserting Duncan at the SG. He can't shoot as well Kobe, and Kobe is better overrall. Sure Duncan has the rebounding advantage, but Kobe is the clear better player.</div>This right here is a dumb quote, I can't believe it was even said. Kobe can not play Duncan's position in the NBA, and expect to have alot of nightly success. He would get crushed on the defensive end consistently, by much bigger and stronger players. Offensively, he would be able to score because of him being differently, but defensively any coach would be stupid to put Kobe down low at Duncan's position. He would just get manhandled.As for best in the NBA, I always split it into two categories, best perimeter player and best low post player because you just can not compare the two positions as far as who is better, it's completely different. As for that best periemter player though, there is not a better or more skilled player than Kobe Bryant. He can score as well as anyone in the league, he can pass the ball well, rebound well for a wingman, and he can play lock down defense when needed to. Nothing proves that more to me, than the last time the Lakers played the Heat. Wade had his way in the first half, but come the second half when Kobe switched onto guarding him, Wade had a hard time doing anything like he was. When he sets his mind to it, Bryant is the best perimeter defensive player, and most fundamentally sound defender on the wings today.As for that MJ vs Bryant comparison, that's really rough on Bryant to. He NEVER had the team around him that Jordan had. He never had a team that can win 55 games and be a championship contender without Bryant, like Jordan had. Jordan was on an awesome team that won him those championships, with an awesome running mate in Pippen. As far as basketball to basketball goes though, Bryant is every bit as talented of a basketball player as Jordan was in my eyes. He has the ability to score in clumps just as Jordan had, he has the ability to attack the rim, he can play defense like Jordan used to be able to. Bryant in my eyes, is easily among the most talented basketball players to ever step into the NBA, if not, the most talented wing man ever.
Re: Why Can't People Admit Kobe is the Best in the NBA? <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dmoney @ Mar 8 2007, 06:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>He won a title last year and diden't have Kobe.</div>You had Wade who carried the load for the team....Do you honestly think Shaq would have won 3 rings in LA without Kobe on his team? HELL NO he wouldnt have.
Re: Why Can't People Admit Kobe is the Best in the NBA? <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>There is no way that Duncan is better than Kobe. Kobe because of his quickness can play Tim Duncan's position, but try inserting Duncan at the SG. He can't shoot as well Kobe, and Kobe is better overrall. Sure Duncan has the rebounding advantage, but Kobe is the clear better player.</div>This is one of the top 5 stupidest things I have ever read on BBW. What kind of logic are you trying to use here?Mehmet Okur can play shooting guard but Michael Jordan could never play center, I think it's pretty obvious that Okur is twice the player that Jordan ever was.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (AiRuPtHeRe™ @ Mar 8 2007, 08:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>:HAHAHA: :HAHAHA: You serious? :HAHAHA: :HAHAHA:</div>Yes...
Re: Why Can't People Admit Kobe is the Best in the NBA? <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ballerman2112 @ Mar 9 2007, 11:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>You had Wade who carried the load for the team....Do you honestly think Shaq would have won 3 rings in LA without Kobe on his team? HELL NO he wouldnt have.</div>Nah, I don't think he would of won 3 rings in LA without KObe. I was just saying because I thought he meant that shaq woulden't be able to win a ring with anyone besides Kobe.
Re: Why Can't People Admit Kobe is the Best in the NBA? I certainly admit it. He is by far the best overall offensive player in the League, and a great guard defender also. He is clearly the best in the NBA right now. Some people just hate the guy, and his ego, and whenever he does one thing they jump all over him. I am not the biggest Kobe supporters, but those type of people are just annoying.
Re: Why Can't People Admit Kobe is the Best in the NBA? <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (RaptorFan#1 @ Mar 9 2007, 10:05 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>There is no way that Duncan is better than Kobe. Kobe because of his quickness can play Tim Duncan's position, but try inserting Duncan at the SG. He can't shoot as well Kobe, and Kobe is better overrall. Sure Duncan has the rebounding advantage, but Kobe is the clear better player.</div>Is that statement a joke, or are you just retarted? Kobe being able to play a PF, and then taking away from Duncan because he wouldnt be able to play the SG position? hahahha....Even if Kobe is better than Duncan, that is the worst reason that I have ever heard.
Re: Why Can't People Admit Kobe is the Best in the NBA? <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CB4AllStar @ Mar 9 2007, 04:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I certainly admit it. He is by far the best overall offensive player in the League, and a great guard defender also. He is clearly the best in the NBA right now. Some people just hate the guy, and his ego, and whenever he does one thing they jump all over him. I am not the biggest Kobe supporters, but those type of people are just annoying.</div>By FAR the best offensive player in the league? I agree he is the best, but there are other players that are close. I knock Nash all the time, but the system he is in right now makes him probably the most unstoppable overall offensive player in the league. Wade and leBron can both give you the near 30PPG on high shooting % along with being better playmakers than Kobe.I agree that he is best offensive player in the game, but he isn't lightyears ahead of those 3 players.
Re: Why Can't People Admit Kobe is the Best in the NBA? <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Nitro1118 @ Mar 9 2007, 09:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>By FAR the best offensive player in the league? I agree he is the best, but there are other players that are close. I knock Nash all the time, but the system he is in right now makes him probably the most unstoppable overall offensive player in the league. Wade and leBron can both give you the near 30PPG on high shooting % along with being better playmakers than Kobe.I agree that he is best offensive player in the game, but he isn't lightyears ahead of those 3 players.</div>That's just insulting that you put those 3 names in without mentioning Dirk. I can respect those opinions that say Kobe is the best in the nba but saying 4 other players are better on offense than Dirk is just unbelieveable.
Re: Why Can't People Admit Kobe is the Best in the NBA? <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mavsfan1000 @ Mar 9 2007, 05:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>That's just insulting that you put those 3 names in without mentioning Dirk. I can respect those opinions that say Kobe is the best in the nba but saying 4 other players are better on offense than Dirk is just unbelieveable.</div>Wade, Kobe, and LeBron are all better scorers, and all 4 of the players I metnioned are better playmakers than Dirk. I did not mention him with Kobe because he is neither a better scorer or playmaker than Kobe.
Re: Why Can't People Admit Kobe is the Best in the NBA? You forgot to mention Mcgrady since he is in your sig. You obviously haven't watched many mavs games this year or Dirk would definitely be on top of your list. Dirk has definitely been a playmaker and the best shooter in the business from the perimeter. Kobe and Wade can be argued to be better than Dirk but not Lebron.
Re: Why Can't People Admit Kobe is the Best in the NBA? <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mavsfan1000 @ Mar 9 2007, 05:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>You forgot to mention Mcgrady since he is in your sig. You obviously haven't watched many mavs games this year or Dirk would definitely be on top of your list. Dirk has definitely been a playmaker and the best shooter in the business from the perimeter. Kobe and Wade can be argued to be better than Dirk but not Lebron.</div>T-Mac is around Kobe's level in playmaking and not the scorer Kobe is, so that'd be a stupid arguement to make since he doesn't have any big advantages that those other 3 players have over Kobe.Dirk doesn't have near the pressure on him as a scorer that Kobe, Wade or LeBron have on them night in and night out. He is not as well rounded as they are in terms of scoring. Next to Ray Allen and Michael Redd he is the best shooter in the business, but ultimately that is the only dangerous part of his scoring. He can't play in the low post, nor is he dangerous at slashing. He is not near the playmaker Wade, LeBron, Nash or Kobe are.LeBron, despite having a sub par seaosn, is really coming on and showing the player he was last year. He is extremely difficult to stop as a scorer and has amazing court vision.
Re: Why Can't People Admit Kobe is the Best in the NBA? Yeah he doesn't spend a lot of time in the low post nor does he shoot a lot of 3's. He stays in the mid post most of the time and shoots over the opponent. If he gets a center on him he can take it out to the 3 point line as well. Lebron is shooting 32% from 3 point range this year and not attacking as much as he used to.
Re: Why Can't People Admit Kobe is the Best in the NBA? <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mavsfan1000 @ Mar 9 2007, 05:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Yeah he doesn't spend a lot of time in the low post nor does he shoot a lot of 3's. He stays in the mid post most of the time and shoots over the opponent. If he gets a center on him he can take it out to the 3 point line as well. Lebron is shooting 32% from 3 point range this year and not attacking as much as he used to.</div>Despite that and a few injuries, LeBron is still shooting a high % and scoring more than Dirk. He hasn't come on until recently, where he has shown he is still what he was last year. Give me the great slahser (player who also has a pretty good jumpshot) over the great jumpshooter.
Re: Why Can't People Admit Kobe is the Best in the NBA? <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dmoney @ Mar 8 2007, 02:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>He won a title last year and diden't have Kobe.</div>But he had Wade........and a hell of a better team than Kobe has right now.
Re: Why Can't People Admit Kobe is the Best in the NBA? <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (carolina_kid22 @ Mar 9 2007, 11:35 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>This right here is a dumb quote, I can't believe it was even said. Kobe can not play Duncan's position in the NBA, and expect to have alot of nightly success. He would get crushed on the defensive end consistently, by much bigger and stronger players. Offensively, he would be able to score because of him being differently, but defensively any coach would be stupid to put Kobe down low at Duncan's position. He would just get manhandled.As for best in the NBA, I always split it into two categories, best perimeter player and best low post player because you just can not compare the two positions as far as who is better, it's completely different. As for that best periemter player though, there is not a better or more skilled player than Kobe Bryant. He can score as well as anyone in the league, he can pass the ball well, rebound well for a wingman, and he can play lock down defense when needed to. Nothing proves that more to me, than the last time the Lakers played the Heat. Wade had his way in the first half, but come the second half when Kobe switched onto guarding him, Wade had a hard time doing anything like he was. When he sets his mind to it, Bryant is the best perimeter defensive player, and most fundamentally sound defender on the wings today.As for that MJ vs Bryant comparison, that's really rough on Bryant to. He NEVER had the team around him that Jordan had. He never had a team that can win 55 games and be a championship contender without Bryant, like Jordan had. Jordan was on an awesome team that won him those championships, with an awesome running mate in Pippen. As far as basketball to basketball goes though, Bryant is every bit as talented of a basketball player as Jordan was in my eyes. He has the ability to score in clumps just as Jordan had, he has the ability to attack the rim, he can play defense like Jordan used to be able to. Bryant in my eyes, is easily among the most talented basketball players to ever step into the NBA, if not, the most talented wing man ever.</div>You obviously misunderstood what I said. I said Kobe can do the things Duncan can do in the high/low post, and yes even rebound with the best of them. Its just, he plays the guard position. I didnt say switch both of their positions, I just said Kobe has a better skillset.
Re: Why Can't People Admit Kobe is the Best in the NBA? <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BALLAHOLLIC? @ Mar 9 2007, 01:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>This is one of the top 5 stupidest things I have ever read on BBW. What kind of logic are you trying to use here?Mehmet Okur can play shooting guard but Michael Jordan could never play center, I think it's pretty obvious that Okur is twice the player that Jordan ever was.Yes...</div>I just meant to say that Kobe has a better all around game. Meaning Duncan plays mainly in the post and shoots the occasional 18-20 foot jumper. Thats what I mean when I said Duncan cant play SG, I meant he doesn't have enough skills to play in the backcourt.
Re: Why Can't People Admit Kobe is the Best in the NBA? <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (RaptorFan#1 @ Mar 11 2007, 09:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I just meant to say that Kobe has a better all around game. Meaning Duncan plays mainly in the post and shoots the occasional 18-20 foot jumper. Thats what I mean when I said Duncan cant play SG, I meant he doesn't have enough skills to play in the backcourt.</div>Of course he doenst have enough skills to play in the backcourt. Its becasue he is 7 foot tall. No 7 footer in the NBA could play the SG position if they were being guarded by a SG. They would get the ball stolen from them so much that its not even funny. And Kobe couldnt play in the lowblock if he was being guarded by a power forward or a center. He isnt strong enough, or tall enough. He would get pushed around....This arguement makes no sense and is irrelevant as to why one player is better than the other.
Re: Why Can't People Admit Kobe is the Best in the NBA? <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ballerman2112 @ Mar 11 2007, 09:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Of course he doenst have enough skills to play in the backcourt. Its becasue he is 7 foot tall. No 7 footer in the NBA could play the SG position if they were being guarded by a SG. They would get the ball stolen from them so much that its not even funny. And Kobe couldnt play in the lowblock if he was being guarded by a power forward or a center. He isnt strong enough, or tall enough. He would get pushed around....This arguement makes no sense and is irrelevant as to why one player is better than the other.</div>What about Dirk Nowitzki? I believe he is 7 feet tall and has a 43% 3PFG. He just has the range, sure Dirk doesn't play in the SG the whole game, but he does have an outside game, unlike Duncan.
Re: Why Can't People Admit Kobe is the Best in the NBA? Dirk also doesn't play the low post, especially near the effectiveness Duncan does. There is no way in hell Kobe could play in the post, especially in the West. Offensively he wouldn't be bad, but defensively he'd get murdered. That is a horrible way of analyzing and comparing players.
Re: Why Can't People Admit Kobe is the Best in the NBA? <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Nitro1118 @ Mar 11 2007, 10:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Dirk also doesn't play the low post, especially near the effectiveness Duncan does. There is no way in hell Kobe could play in the post, especially in the West. Offensively he wouldn't be bad, but defensively he'd get murdered. That is a horrible way of analyzing and comparing players.</div>I didnt make it the soul part of my arguement, but I agree, he would get killed defensively, but the fact that you even said he would even be average makes his game that much better overrall. Im not saying Kobe is better than Duncan in the post, but isnt impossible for him to do.
