I think a lot of players are overrated but I never thought Nash was until recently. During the game against the Lakers, the broadcasters kept talking about how he has no flaws. Flaws? are you kidding? the guy can't even guard a locked door, he's soft, gets tired and isn't a good rebounder. I mean, theirs no doubt that he's one hell of a play maker but still. He keeps winning MVPs yet, his old teammate in Dallas is taking his team much much further. Nash has so much talent around him that it's hard to believe how his role couldn't be replaced. Jason Kidd could do it, or any other good playmaker for that matter. He and his team is one-dimensional, and after playing brilliantly in the regular season, they never seem to figure out how to be successful in the playoffs. (I do think D'Antoni should take some of the blame for that though.)Like I said, there's no doubt that he is one of the best players in the world but, I don't think he is as great as everybody says.P.S. I'm sorry if this subject was made before.
He's slowed down as of late and at this rate, he really won't win MVP. But he's a great PG. He can dish it out, he can score and do other things. He is ranked good at where he is now.
Good topic Bryant. I think he is in the sense of how he's been built up through the media. I mean I think he's just in a perfect system that plays to his strengths but he should not be lamented as one of the best players in basketball. Which some see him as, I think he's a very good player but hardly one of the best. His defense leaves a lot to be desire obviously, the only thing he excels at is his passing and court vision. I feel his offense is not great, he's not a guy you put your offense onto and let him carry it one on one. He's a jumpshooter, he's not going to beat you with his drive or draw contact. Still a fan though.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Shall I make a topic entitled 'is kobe overrated', hater?</div>You can make one called Kobe is a little bi*ch.I don't agree with ROK and Michael Bryant at all. Nash clearly isn't overrated. The Suns were last place in their division in 2004, they were horrible. Nash comes there and they turn into a first place team that's in the western conference finals. He sucks at defending, I'll give you that. Other than that Nash is amazing. He runs that Phoenix suns team with excellence, he's passes the ball unbelievably well, he leads the league in assits per game, he's a lights out shooter. 54% from the field, 48% beyond the arc, the guy is a tremendous point guard who leads that team. He's made guys like Raja Bell and Boris Diaw become great players. Tim Thomas can thank him for that $25 MIL contract he got from the Clippers this year. Nash isn't overrated at all.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Rok @ Mar 8 2007, 07:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Good topic Bryant. I think he is in the sense of how he's been built up through the media. I mean I think he's just in a perfect system that plays to his strengths but he should not be lamented as one of the best players in basketball. Which some see him as, I think he's a very good player but hardly one of the best. His defense leaves a lot to be desire obviously, the only thing he excels at is his passing and court vision. I feel his offense is not great, he's not a guy you put your offense onto and let him carry it one on one. He's a jumpshooter, he's not going to beat you with his drive or draw contact.</div>and shooting and coming through in the clutch and leadership That is the best part about his offense though. If his shot isn't falling he doesn't become a black hole on the offensive end like many of these high profile offensive players do I.e. Melo, Kobe, Arenas, Wade, etc...
I think he is overrated, but hes a solid team defender...and actually a nice rebounder for his size and strength.They were probably saying he has not flaws as a true point guard.
offensively he's pretty much flawless. Defensively he definately does need improvements. I'll agree with the fact that the media does fall all over him.
The media overrates him, but who cares what they say. They always have one guy that they ride for a year or two and call the best player in the league, but most fans have it right. He is not a top 5 player, I would put him in my top 10 though. All you need to do is watch him to see how important he is. He is the best point guard in the game. He just makes some incredible passes and makes the game so much easier for all the players around him. He is a great shooter and has been very clutch which is why most fans put him above Kidd. When Kidd was here we weren't successful at all...he couldn't score or really make the big shot so the Suns never passed the first round with him year after year even with 50+ wins. Only time they passed the first round I think was when Kidd was injured and Kevin Johnson came back. Nash has carried this team in clutch situations and we wouldn't be anywhere near where we have been without him. And he really can drive to the basket. He's no D-Wade and won't go to the line 10 times but he is dangerous driving to the basket. He is quicker than most people think and he can lay it up using both hands. He has shown his skill at driving to the basket before in the playoffs. His defense isn't as bad as people make it out to be either. He's a hard worker and usually stays on his man and doesn't do a bad job. Only thing that hurts him is when he tries to help out too much leaving someone open but he's not a liability on defense like some think.Amare helps him out a little bit but last year when he was with a bunch of role players and Marion who needs him to succeed, he did a very good job. Just watching the games you can see how good he is and how important he is...he runs EVERYTHING. Every little aspect of the offense goes through him and he is a good leader...the Suns just weren't as good as the Spurs two years ago and just had bad luck with injuries and had to go up against a great Mavs team. I don't blame the style the Suns play or Nash, nor should anyone else blame it on those things. They just met up with more talented teams with coaches who were more experienced or just better. Right now I would have him as the 7th best player in the league behind Kobe, LeBron, Wade, Dirk, KG, Duncan...and you could definitely make a case for Iverson and TMac, but I do think he is a top 10 player and has been a big reason why this team has been successful. With that said I do think Dirk should win MVP this season.
Nash is a great player made better with his team. I think he is overrated but only by a bit. He does have flaws though.
I mentioned his court vision and passing. He does it well. Yet you don't agree with me at all? A lot of the average fans. This popped out at me, it seems like your putting Nash over Kidd. I disagree, because Kidd did the whole Nash thing before it became the Nash thing with the Nets. Take a sub-par team(Nets aka Suns), add Kidd(or Nash), success. Thing is, despite being in the East, Kidd took them to the Finals back to back. So why should Nash be placed over Kidd? Nash has yet to reach the Finals. Or are you detailing success with the Suns? As for the defense, he's still a matador on defense. It doesn't matter how much he tries because it's just not there.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Rok @ Mar 8 2007, 08:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>A lot of the average fans.This popped out at me, it seems like your putting Nash over Kidd. I disagree, because Kidd did the whole Nash thing before it became the Nash thing with the Nets. Take a sub-par team(Nets aka Suns), add Kidd(or Nash), success. Thing is, despite being in the East, Kidd took them to the Finals back to back. So why should Nash be placed over Kidd? Nash has yet to reach the Finals. Or are you detailing success with the Suns? As for the defense, he's still a matador on defense. It doesn't matter how much he tries because it's just not there.</div>lol Do we have 'average fans' here? I guess michael bryant's just an average fan...Wait, are you kidding, Rok? The East when Kidd went to the finals was nowhere NEAR close to as talented and stacked as the West. Getting to the WCF in this Western Conference is harder than getting to the Finals from the East.
The Media overrates' him by the stuff that comes out of there mouths.Nash is a fantastic player but sometimes the people out there make it seem like he's the perfect/best player in which is not completly true.
Average fans are stupid. I mean, people on this site who know what's really happening shouldn't care what ESPN says. People who care what ESPN said are the "KOBE is the sh*t! Did you see dat windmieallllllll?" "Wuteva man, Nash is the MVP so he's automatically betta and not a ballhog" "No, no, no! Iverson is ma nagga guys! He's averaging ova 30 points and he passes a lot now" type of people who usually get banned from here quickly and should always be ignored unless you feel like boosting your ego.Getting to the Finals in the East and losing really isn't all that different than getting to the WCF in a much tougher conference. Kidd led the Suns to 50+ win seasons but his team was always whipped in the playoffs. Nash has been a great leader and one of the most clutch players in the league since he came here. I wouldn't put him under Kidd in leadership just because Kidd went through and easy conference.Like I said, he's not as bad defensively as people think. He actually does a decent job. It's hard to judge because defenders keep switching to different people but I rarely see him make a mistake except when he over-helps.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>lol Do we have 'average fans' here? I guess michael bryant's just an average fan...</div>A lot of average fans believe ESPN and whatever they praise without watching the games. As for having some average fans on here, I would say yes and their obvious. Michael Bryant isn't, why would he be since he's not on the Nash bandwagon?<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Wait, are you kidding, Rok? The East when Kidd went to the finals was nowhere NEAR close to as talented and stacked as the West. Getting to the WCF in this Western Conference is harder than getting to the Finals from the East.</div>No I'm not kidding. I mentioned it being in the East but despite the weak conference, it's still an accomplishment. Just because a team comes out of the East, their going to be looked down upon? It's an accomplishment and Kidd led that team from the bottom up, like Nash is doing in Phoenix.
But then you mentioned the part about Nash not making Finals and Kidd doing it. And I'm saying that it's been like Stockton's journey for Nash, only he's meeting the best team(bulls) in the WCF not the Finals. Nash has led them to back to back WCFs.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Yet you don't agree with me at all?</div>Ok Rok aka the nit-picker, one sentence I agreed with you other than that, no I didn't agree with what you said at all. You pretty much were implying that he's only good because he is playing in a system that suits him. Did he not have several great seasons with the dallas mavericks? You said his offense isn't that great? 12 assits a game and the guy shoots over 50% and almost 50% from 3 Point range...if that's not great, I don't know what is.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Kidd led the Suns to 50+ win seasons but his team was always whipped in the playoffs.</div>Sounds like Nash led Mavericks.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>I wouldn't put him under Kidd in leadership just because Kidd went through and easy conference.</div>No I'm putting him under, because Kidd is the better overall player.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Rok @ Mar 8 2007, 08:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Sounds like Nash led Mavericks.No I'm putting him under, because Kidd is the better overall player.</div>3 WCF>getting whipped by teams with records close to yours because you can't score at all and not even winning 1 series in the good conference. Kidd still hasn't beaten a Western Conference team in his career I don't think, unless he did with the Mavs many years ago?
The way I've looked at Nash's usefulness is that when you look at it, when he left the Mavs, he not only boosted the Suns to a new level, but he opened the door for Jet and the Mavs were boosted. So he inadvertently made the Mavs better.
