OT Baseball and Football Coming to Portland?

Discussion in 'Portland Trail Blazers' started by ehizzy3, Jul 12, 2017.

  1. dviss1

    dviss1 Emcee Referee

    Joined:
    Aug 10, 2011
    Messages:
    29,479
    Likes Received:
    27,329
    Trophy Points:
    113
    I'd be open to this.
     
    santeesioux likes this.
  2. UncleCliffy'sDaddy

    UncleCliffy'sDaddy We're all Bozos on this bus.

    Joined:
    Jul 2, 2015
    Messages:
    7,361
    Likes Received:
    14,943
    Trophy Points:
    113
    The Grand Ronde Tribe (I believe) offered to build an MLB quality ball park in the Portland area during the Kulongoski regime. All they wanted in return was a casino in the PDX metro area. Kulongoski (the slimy little prick) unequivocally turned it down because (at least in part) gambling "sends the wrong message" (though the vested interests who owned Ted were the real reason). How the citizens of Oregon approved this type of decision making in this kind of issue to a single politician is beyond me. But Ted The Midget screwed local MLB fans for the foreseeable future. Lord can we pick 'em....................
     
  3. barfo

    barfo triggered obsessive commie pinko boomer maniac Staff Member Global Moderator

    Joined:
    Sep 15, 2008
    Messages:
    34,054
    Likes Received:
    24,939
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    Blazer OT board
    But...but... we already came up with a bunch of funny team names!

    barfo
     
    Dougnsalem and Orion Bailey like this.
  4. BonesJones

    BonesJones https://www.youtube.com/c/blazersuprise

    Joined:
    May 7, 2015
    Messages:
    44,536
    Likes Received:
    38,601
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    Vancouver, WA
    Disagree with this. A combination of sponsorship + tax would be the solution. Nike would be a big factor IMO.
     
    JFizzleRaider likes this.
  5. Orion Bailey

    Orion Bailey Forum Troll

    Joined:
    Jan 27, 2015
    Messages:
    26,285
    Likes Received:
    21,507
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Baseball and football is much harder than basketball to fund.
    Nike isn't enough and drop off after them it's significant.
    Have you seen the news on the Stadiums in current construction? I have a bit of inside knowledge talking to the gc's. I supply a lot of the bent steel for the framework ofcof couplecgoing up. Plus it's pretty regularly discussed on the radio.
    The taxpayers are getting killed because of the interest factors. The contracts being agreed to are straight robbing he public after all is said and done.
    We are too frugal around these parts in my opinion. Oregon has always held its purse tight and been hesitant to spend anything on growth and or entertainment.
     
    Jade Falcon likes this.
  6. Minstrel

    Minstrel Top Of The Pops Global Moderator

    Joined:
    Sep 16, 2008
    Messages:
    26,226
    Likes Received:
    14,407
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    User Interface Designer
    Location:
    Hello darkness, my old friend
    Publicly financed stadiums are a scam unless they're fully owned by the city, which generally hasn't been the case in the past. If a private company is going to own the stadium, and collect the revenue from using it both for their own team as well as renting it for concerts and events, then they should have to pay for the land and construction of it.

    Now, if the city is going to wholly own it, charge the team rent and get all the profits from using it for non-sports events, then it can be a benefit to the taxpayers and could be worth spending taxpayer dollars on. Owners generally don't like not having full control and ownership, though.
     
  7. SlyPokerDog

    SlyPokerDog Woof! Staff Member Administrator

    Joined:
    Oct 5, 2008
    Messages:
    122,912
    Likes Received:
    122,909
    Trophy Points:
    115
    He was right to turn it down. It was a very flawed proposal and unfair to the other tribes in Oregon.

    A better plan would be to allow NW tribes to jointly operate a casino in the Portland area. A mix of a physical location near the new convention center hotel and riverboat gambling. A better idea would be to use the old MC as a casino.

    Casino gambling needs to be used to increase tourism and to help fill up that pretty new convention hotel that taxpayers are underwriting the cost of. Right now once this new hotel is opened you will see a line of buses taking conventioneers to the new casino in La Center. Which means very little economic benefit to Portland.
     
  8. santeesioux

    santeesioux Just keep on scrolling by

    Joined:
    Dec 3, 2008
    Messages:
    10,738
    Likes Received:
    5,311
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Trolling the internet
    Location:
    Southern Oregon
    A riverboat casino would be cool as shit.
     
  9. UncleCliffy'sDaddy

    UncleCliffy'sDaddy We're all Bozos on this bus.

    Joined:
    Jul 2, 2015
    Messages:
    7,361
    Likes Received:
    14,943
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Screw the other tribes. I haven't heard of them trying to get on board since the proposal was rejected. If they really cared about making it work, we would have heard from them. And where folks choose to gamble is a casino problem, not a tax payer problem. If we get an MLB stadium in the PDX metro area, then the PDX metro area will benefit economically and that is supposed to be the first priority. The Grande Ronde tribe certainly didn't seem to share your concerns when they made the proposal. But then, the white man has always looked out for the best interests of the red man, right.....?
     
    riverman likes this.
  10. riverman

    riverman Writing Team

    Joined:
    Nov 15, 2013
    Messages:
    67,845
    Likes Received:
    66,602
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Eugene would pull it off....some state of the art sports facilities have been built around here and they've got a minor league team already...they also have the land and Phil Knight basically is everyone's landlord here anyway. Tracktown USA....hotels...parking...The Emeralds...U of O facilities...airport...it would work in Eugene
     
  11. BonesJones

    BonesJones https://www.youtube.com/c/blazersuprise

    Joined:
    May 7, 2015
    Messages:
    44,536
    Likes Received:
    38,601
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    Vancouver, WA
    More money to be made in Portland than Eugene..

    I don't think Eugene would even have a 0.01 chance of happening
     
    Orion Bailey likes this.
  12. santeesioux

    santeesioux Just keep on scrolling by

    Joined:
    Dec 3, 2008
    Messages:
    10,738
    Likes Received:
    5,311
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Trolling the internet
    Location:
    Southern Oregon
    We should be talking about the Medford metro area at this rate.
     
  13. Orion Bailey

    Orion Bailey Forum Troll

    Joined:
    Jan 27, 2015
    Messages:
    26,285
    Likes Received:
    21,507
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Not even close to happening. Eugene doesn't have the population to sustain the ticket sales for either one when competing with the Ducks expensive tickets and Portlanders aren't going to commute for weeknight baseball and Id be wiling to bet Sunday football. Right now a large percentage commute for Ducks games, but thatch because its on a Saturday and you have a day to recover
     
    BonesJones likes this.
  14. riverman

    riverman Writing Team

    Joined:
    Nov 15, 2013
    Messages:
    67,845
    Likes Received:
    66,602
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Ducks tickets for basketball are cheap dude..last time I went to Mathew Knight Arena I paid 18 bucks..they fill Autzen Stadium to capacity for the football team...from Corvalis to Bend to Florence there are a lot of retired folks who buy season tickets.....Eugene Symphony sells out all the time....either way....I want professional baseball in Oregon....
     
  15. Orion Bailey

    Orion Bailey Forum Troll

    Joined:
    Jan 27, 2015
    Messages:
    26,285
    Likes Received:
    21,507
    Trophy Points:
    113

    I was speaking of football tickets, which are expensive.
    Baseball wont happen because Eugene would need ot rely on the Portland populus and we wont be driving down for weeknight games, or day games. Weekends only and that wouldn't cut it.
     
    BonesJones likes this.
  16. Orion Bailey

    Orion Bailey Forum Troll

    Joined:
    Jan 27, 2015
    Messages:
    26,285
    Likes Received:
    21,507
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Now Salem might be feasable. Portland commuters could make the trip.

    The Salem Suckers

    Cause the only way it would happen is if we voted it in.
     
    Dougnsalem likes this.
  17. Minstrel

    Minstrel Top Of The Pops Global Moderator

    Joined:
    Sep 16, 2008
    Messages:
    26,226
    Likes Received:
    14,407
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    User Interface Designer
    Location:
    Hello darkness, my old friend
    Salem Witches.

    And before some history nerd comes along to scream, "Wrong Salem!" no, it isn't. Because the witch trials happened in Salem, Massachusetts, that means witches clearly flourished in Salem, Oregon. And so the team is named after them.
     
    Dougnsalem likes this.
  18. BlazerDuckSeahawkFan94

    BlazerDuckSeahawkFan94 AWOL

    Joined:
    Jul 2, 2013
    Messages:
    21,056
    Likes Received:
    10,366
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Baseball is doable, football isn't.

    Tear down the MC, and build a beautiful baseball stadium. Name the team the Oregon Anglers, everytime the team scores we have a designated Fishing Boat shoot fireworks from the water.
     
    Shaboid likes this.
  19. SlyPokerDog

    SlyPokerDog Woof! Staff Member Administrator

    Joined:
    Oct 5, 2008
    Messages:
    122,912
    Likes Received:
    122,909
    Trophy Points:
    115
    Spirit Mountain has been a bully to other tribes. They fought tooth and nail to prevent the Warm Springs tribe to locate a casino on I-84, they have paid millions to prevent Chinook Winds to ever expand at Lincoln City. They spent tens of millions to try to stop the casino in La Center. They want a monopoly on the Portland area and are willing to screw other tribes to do it. I see no advantage to accepting a proposal that only benefits one NW tribe.

    We have prime land and water available for casino spaces that should be put up for open bid so the city and region maximizes the most out of this opportunity.

    I have been to every casino in the PNW, go to Muckleshoot, their business model is to suck money out of the local area, the area around there is horribly depressed. Then go to Tulalip casino where their business model has been to attract tourism, beautiful hotel, amphitheater, and the surrounding area is prospering.

    Right now the very few big conventions we get here in Portland the #1 activity is to bus convention goers out to Troutdale to the outlet mall and then on to Multnomah Falls. That's very little money being spent in Portland and providing the promised economic boost from the twice expanded taxpayer funded convention center.

    Just because Spirit Mountain offered us what you consider a good deal doesn't mean it's the best deal we could demand. Open bidding will get us a better deal.

    And as far as your white man crack my stepkids are native.
     
    Dougnsalem, Minstrel and riverman like this.
  20. ripcityboy

    ripcityboy Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 25, 2013
    Messages:
    12,934
    Likes Received:
    10,797
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    self employed
    Location:
    pdx, or, usa.
    I don't want to a ballbuster. But can somebody please site an online source of any recent date that this discussion is even relevant? I mean, an outside interest want a to bring Baseball and Football here.... The Four W's and an H please.
     
    Orion Bailey likes this.

Share This Page