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  1. Natebishop3

    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

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    Natebishop3, Jul 21, 2017
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    Please name 5 PG's better than Kyrie.
     
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    Fez Hammersticks スーパーバッド Zero Cool

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    If I'm Cleveland I demand Porzingis.

    They can kick rocks with Melo.
     
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    Also, we took on Anderson Varejao's contract. Cleveland basically owes us LeBron.
     
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    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

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    Westbrook
    Curry
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    Dame
    Lowry
    Wall
    Harden (if you count him as a PG)
     
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    Ummmwhy would the cavs settle for Melo? Yes they'd be settling. They can get much better offers. Even if he comes with Ntikilina and a pick.
     
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    JFizzleRaider Yeast Lords Global Moderator

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    As controversial as it will be to say this on a Blazer forum, Dame, Lowry and Wall are all questionable as to if they are better than Kyrie.
     
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    I remember during the draft hearing about the Cle/Phx trade.

    The deal they had in place:

    To Cleveland:
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    #4 pick

    To PHX:
    Kyrie Irving
     
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    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

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    In terms of scoring, Dame and Kyrie are pretty similar, so it comes down to personality and I'd take Dame over Kyrie any day.

    Wall is more of a distributor. I think he had a better season than Irving last year.

    I'm not really a fan of Lowry, honestly...
     
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    Congrats to the Tpups for having someone actually wanting to go there.

    Congrats to the Celtics for making it to the finals in '18.
     
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    Especially if Playoff success means anything.
     
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    Coulda Woulda Shoulda
     
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    Kyrie+Love for Melo+Porzingis
     
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    Yeah, I'd agree that Curry, Paul, Harden and Westbrook are the only ones clear-cut above Irving. After that, Irving is in a tier with Wall, Lillard, Conley and (regular season) Lowry. Antetokounmpo could be in this conversation too--he's basically playing the point guard position and, if you count him, would be ahead of the Wall/Lillard/Irving tier.
     
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    Boob-No-More Why you no hire big man coach?

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    Lowry - too feast or famine - especially in the playoffs. Kyrie for the win.

    Wall - I'd take him over Kyrie for his defense, passing and leadership. Kyrie is a better scorer. Wall is significantly better at pretty much everything else.

    Dame - Yeah, I'm a homer, but Dame has the better stats (higher scoring, more assists, higher PER, better TS%, etc.) over the last three years, is a better leader and the clincher for me is Dame is much more durable. Even if you don't include his first season, when Kyrie missed 31 games, he's missed 80 games in the last five years. In that same span, Dame has missed a total of 14 games. Dame has also improved every year he's been in the league. Kyrie has been up and down, but really isn't much better now than he was a rookie. That probably has something to do with all of his injuries.

    BNM
     
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    stampedehero Make Your Day, a Doobies Day Staff Member Moderator

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    The Bulls deserve him.
     
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    I think MIL should go after him. They need a legit PG (I think Brogdon is more of a SG). They have so much young talent, they just need that 2nd star next to Giannis, and PG is where the hole is.
    They could package Jabari Parker, Malcolm Brogdon, John Henson, and Matthew Delevedova for Channing Frye and Kyrie Irving.
    This trade would give Milwaukee a lineup of Irving/Middleton/Snell/Antetokounmpo/Monroe. That could compete for a Finals spot. What this trade would also do for MIL is it would give them with apx. $20M in cap space next summer. They'd simply have to trade away Teletovic (who will have 1 year, $10M remaining) to get around max cap space. The guy they would go after is Cousins, pairing him with Giannis, Kyrie, Middleton, Snell, Maker, Wilson, and others. While trading away Parker would be a risk, he's been injury prone which makes it easier to send him out. The rest of the trade is dumping the long term, bad contracts of Henson and Delevedova while upgrading their starting PG (Brogdon to Kyrie).

    As far as CLE, with Jabari being a PF, I think they'd swap Love for Melo and KOQ to start a lineup of
    Lebron/Brogdon/Melo/Parker/Thompson
    Delevedova/Smith/Korver/O'Quinn/Henson
    This team would likely still be the favorites in the east, while being better set up to rebuild should Lebron leave (Brogdon+Parker is a good start). They would never be able to get under the cap with Lebron, and wouldn't be able to sign anyone without him, so adding those contracts doesn't hurt them.
     
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    Dame, Lowry, and Wall are all better because they are healthier.
     
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