Politics Transgender in the military

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  1. barfo

    barfo triggered obsessive commie pinko boomer maniac Staff Member Global Moderator

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    This is, um, interesting...

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  2. MarAzul

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    Is it really true?
    The Trany can enlist. And these are costs to change. Over 100k?
    http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/31/health/transgender-costs-irpt/index.html

    The kid with Dental work needed is rejected? Maybe a 1k worth?
    "
    b. Severe malocclusion (524) that interferes with normal mastication or requires early and protracted treatment; or relationship between mandible and maxilla that prevents satisfactory future prosthodontic replacement.
    c. Insufficient natural healthy teeth (521) or lack of a serviceable prosthesis, preventing adequate mastication and incision of a normal diet. This includes complex (multiple fixture) dental implant systems that have associated complications that severely limit assignments and adversely affect performance of world-wide duty. Dental implants systems must be successfully osseointegrated and completed.
    d. Orthodontic appliances for continued treatment (V53.4) (attached or removable). Retainer appliances are permissible, provided all active orthodontic treatment has been satisfactorily completed.

    The trick is in the interpretation. We were told if the inductee had a problem that would possibly flare up during the basic training period to bounce them out. It was explained to us that basic is so tightly scheduled that the recruit will not have time to fix a dental problem. "


    Is this the new social justice? Or is it just preferred social correctness?
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  3. crandc

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    I have no idea what the military policy on dental problems is and do not see the relevance. I guess if your only defense is that you're prejudiced, you have to fly off on tangents. Kind of like Trump trying to deflect attention from his failures.

    Now legal experts which I am not are starting to weigh in saying that Trump cannot reverse a policy by himself through tweets.

    On this day in 1949 President Truman issued an order abolishing segregation and legal discrimination in the military. On this day in 2017 Trump issued three tweets reinstating gender identity discrimination in the military.
     
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    Crandc my lady, you are being intentionally obtuse, or just full of bullshit.
     
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    The National Defense Research Institute did an in-depth study. Assessing the Implications of Allowing Transgender Personnel to Serve Openly", which I am quite sure Trump did not read (neither, I am sure, did MarAzul, it's so much easier to call people full of bullshit than to, you know, know something about a subject)

    https://books.google.com/books?id=Jb2pDAAAQBAJ&pg=PR11&lpg=PR11#v=onepage&q&f=false

    The estimate the costs. Less than one Trump weekend golfing.
     
  6. Denny Crane

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    But it does cost?

    That's something always worth considering.
     
  7. MarAzul

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    The cost per Transgender is what? Is it different than the article I posted?
    It is way more than they will spend on dental correction, isn't it?
     
  8. Nate

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    You might as well try to argue that bi-polar disorder isn't a mental illness.

    Or anorexia

    Or depression

    Or schizophrenia

    All things that will prevent a person from joining the military.

    Just like having feet that are too flat.

    Felons can't join the military.

    People over the age of 29 cant join the military.

    You know nothing about this, and clearly don't give a fuck about the military.

    But this is a chance for you bitch about Trump, so I'm sure you'll take it, and claim it's for the greater good.

    #flatfootlivesmatter
     
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  9. Nate

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    Well he's the commander and chief of the military so.....

    Unfucking the military might be the only good thing Trump will ever do. Obama fucked it up pretty bad though, so who knows if that's even possible.
     
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    My friend from high school couldn't join the military because he was born with one kidney.

    Let's march on Washington!!!

    Another friend couldn't join because he had irritable bowel syndrome.

    #irritablebowelsmatter
     
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    The military also isn't there to give medical care to people with pre existing mental/physical illnesses.

    Is it just this one disqualifying mental illness that you have a problem with?

    Or is it all of them?

    Because there's thousands of things that will disqualify someone from serving in the military.

    Don't be shy now. Let me know how you feel about all the oppressed flat footers.
     
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    I mean.....they let Wookee in.

    Shouldn't it be open to anyone and anything?
     
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    For one, I am not for this. I am against it but at the same time I can't help but notice the insane outrage over an issue that is an extreme minority. I mean how many transgender people are actually in the military? honestly. has to be an EXTREME minority. I think the outrage is a little too much. Everybodys point is "well yeah I think if you wanna serve you should be able to", okay yeah well flat footed people can't join, if you have issues with your eyes, etc. I just feel as if people are getting overly outraged again. I think that people in America really need to have a conversation about mental illness and joining the military. There are a lot of people that do and I don't think that should be allowed and one can make the case with transgenders.
     
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    They should let everyone in, but that also means females should be on the combat lines, given the same requirements as men or transgenders and in equal proportions. :MARIS61:
     
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    PDXFonz I’m listening

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    Damn I thought they were our generals too, I guess trump has taken everything for himself...
     
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    After reading crandc's article, I read some others. According to one there are 15000 Transgender people in the US military. 134000 US veterans.
    32% were assigned male at birth, 5.5 % were female. Don't know what happened to the other percentage? Another article, other than the one I posted, also places the cost at around $100000.

    One question I have that I don't get a direct answer, is the reassignment alway to female? This always means they need to be exempt from fitness tests for atleast some period according to the article.

    The next question I have if the US military is going to be in this business, why? And if so, why not do the reassignment before begining the enlistment time so they serve the full time as a functioning person, not a Transgender?

    BTW I think I met one of the vets last Friday. Her beard was badly in need of the razor. Chin only.
     
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    This is why I have not really responded. I don't like the idea of paying for this surgery but it seemed stupid to bitch if Trump is using this kind of cash for other stuff we don't need.
     
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    There was a thread created by BC that received a reaction BC wasn't expecting.
    Regardless of how I feel, if you look close enough they're still around from time to time.
    Just you'd have to remember what BC said. Which I do b/c I enjoyed most of BC's posts.
    @SlyPokerDog edit if it's necessary.
     
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