Non-guarenteed contracts. Looks what it's done for football. This is the one things thats really holding the NBA back. Guarenteed contracts are ruining the NBA...there's no turnover....so your pretty much stuck with the same players year after year...ugh...imagine if NBA players every year were playing so they didn't get cut in the offseason....that would be amazing. Free agency would be awesome to follow.
TOTALLY agree.Also and please people, don't take this the wrong way, some players get injured and take a ton of time coming back and I always wonder how do I know these guy aren't just taking there sweet ass time. They have guaranteed money coming at them season after season. So many guys have huge long contracts that nobody wants to pay or nobody wants to acquire. Raef LaFrentz was the end all bad contract in Boston, Wally's is awful, Theo Ratliff hasn't been playing good in three years and he's making $13 MIL a year. VIN BAKER, while being an alcoholic, was getting $5.3 MIL a year. Also players compete they're ass's off in new contract years then relax once they get they're guaranteed money. If they were playing for a contract every year they would always be playing they're ass's off.
I agree that would make the league better, but if the NBA did that they'd need to institute a hard cap, or everyone would constantly goto LA and New York leaving Memphis and Utah with just sh*tty players. look in the NFL how the Jets, Giants, Dolphins always get competitve teams out there, while the Bills and Cardnals just suck like hoovers.
Guys this is what would happen in the situation:OK, so there's a superstar in free-agencey, let's say it's Ray Allen. Ok, so lets say the Magic are offering Ray a 5 year - 60 million dollar contract that's unguarenteed. But then Sacremento butts in and decides to offer a guarenteed contract for 5 years - 45 million dollars. Ray Allen is going to take the guarenteed contract because he knows that if he were to face a career threatening suspension or injury he will still be getting money for the next 5 years. Now all the other players will start seeing that guarenteed contracts are in fact better even if they're less money. So now all the players are going to want guarenteed contracts so no teams are going to be able to offer unguarenteed contracts. And eventually the money will just go right back up to the high amounts again. In the NFL it works because it's a dog-eat-dog league where an 8th round draft pick can replace a pro-bowler. But the NBA is not like that. So therefore it would not work in the NBA.
Wow I thought they already fixed this. I agree, the NFL is number 1 for a reason. Because they run their league SMART.David Stern needs to try to be that...
I agree 10000000000000%. Guaranteed contracts are ridiculous and that is why we have so many slackers like Tim Thomas and Mark Blount, who will only show up in contract years. It's out of hand. There would be more heart shown on the floor, there wouldn't be many slackers, and those scrubs wouldn't get the giant deals they got.Like WTJ said, you have guys like Raef LaFrentz out there making $13M a year, and he doesn't even play! It's ridiculous, and this needs to be addressed.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pacers fan forever @ Mar 13 2007, 04:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>OK, so there's a superstar in free-agencey, let's say it's Ray Allen. Ok, so lets say the Magic are offering Ray a 5 year - 60 million dollar contract that's unguarenteed. But then Sacremento butts in and decides to offer a guarenteed contract for 5 years - 45 million dollars. Ray Allen is going to take the guarenteed contract because he knows that if he were to face a career threatening suspension or injury he will still be getting money for the next 5 years.</div>Do you not understand the point of this thread? It's saying that all guaranteed contracts should be eliminated completely.
I absolutely would love this to happen, but the more interesting question would be how tough would something like this be to get done.Obviously the Players Association wouldn't be having any of it, and the GMs and Owners would love it. Anything that can be put in to make this more of a compromise rather than just something that benefitted owners? Maybe a guaranteed base or year or something for the players then everything else is based on a non guaranteed basis?I don't really know. I LOVE this idea, but I really don't think a middle ground can be found here between players and owners.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pacers fan forever @ Mar 13 2007, 04:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Guys this is what would happen in the situation:OK, so there's a superstar in free-agencey, let's say it's Ray Allen. Ok, so lets say the Magic are offering Ray a 5 year - 60 million dollar contract that's unguarenteed. But then Sacremento butts in and decides to offer a guarenteed contract for 5 years - 45 million dollars. Ray Allen is going to take the guarenteed contract because he knows that if he were to face a career threatening suspension or injury he will still be getting money for the next 5 years. Now all the other players will start seeing that guarenteed contracts are in fact better even if they're less money. So now all the players are going to want guarenteed contracts so no teams are going to be able to offer unguarenteed contracts. And eventually the money will just go right back up to the high amounts again. In the NFL it works because it's a dog-eat-dog league where an 8th round draft pick can replace a pro-bowler. But the NBA is not like that. So therefore it would not work in the NBA.</div> Ugh, there would be no guarenteed contract, just 'signing bonus' type deals like the NFL has...
Thanks for posting this. You guys have pretty much sumed it up. I think the league needs it. Especially since the direction its going. With players getting in criminal trouble, attitude, etc. I wounder if this has been brought up on the NBA board latley. I think it should be looked at in depth. Something they should consider
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BrewCityBuck @ Mar 13 2007, 04:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Ugh, there would be no guarenteed contract, just 'signing bonus' type deals like the NFL has...</div>LOL PFF is SO. DUMB!!!! I think they should be like partially guaranteed. Because the NBA players would still be pampered, and I guarantee after each good season they'd start demanding a new contract and there'd be holdouts everywhere. I just don't think it'd be possible.
I agree. Guaranteed contracts IMO ruin the passion of some of the players. Even though all players like to win, not having a guaranteed extention at the end of the season would make them play even harder. Their would probably alot of kinks to work out and what not, but I expect them to change this in a couple of seasons...
The only thing I like about Garenteed contracts is that they can punish stupid teams who spend their money like children in a candy store, IE philadelphia. Instead of having no garenteed contracts, maybe they should garentee everyones contract at 1 million dollars. but players who are valuble to their team get paid more money than those least valuble. so KG would still make a sh*t load of money, but guys like Eddi Griffin would only make the 1 million. I think that would work about a lot better, because than everyone would have incentive to play their best basketball always. It wouldn't just be scoring which would get players the bonus money, being a good defender, a good rebounder, good floor leader would get players more money too.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (redneck @ Mar 14 2007, 10:19 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>The only thing I like about Garenteed contracts is that they can punish stupid teams who spend their money like children in a candy store, IE philadelphia. Instead of having no garenteed contracts, maybe they should garentee everyones contract at 1 million dollars. but players who are valuble to their team get paid more money than those least valuble. so KG would still make a sh*t load of money, but guys like Eddi Griffin would only make the 1 million. I think that would work about a lot better, because than everyone would have incentive to play their best basketball always. It wouldn't just be scoring which would get players the bonus money, being a good defender, a good rebounder, good floor leader would get players more money too.</div>Eh not really, because how can you determine who's got x amount of valuability. It's about perspective.
Yeah this would be a great move for the NBA but like was said you'd have to have a long lockout and give something huge up for the players to give this up.If the players were smart though they'd do it for the benefit of the NBA. Also..this could result in some NBA players that REALLY deserve the cash to receive it. The guys that work hard and continue to play well will get the well deserved cash. The guys who break their legs or stop trying would get less money..and they guys who player to their potential would get more.The game would be a ton better. Teams could QUICKLY rebuild. And it may even things out a bit. You basically get the same 5 teams every year who compete. The NFL does do it right..the guaranteed money comes in a signing bonus and the rest you have to earn. Makes so much sense.
