Politics White Nationalist Rally turns to violence and terrorism

Like what?

 

I know.

 

You're post is welcome dumbass....post.

 

Oh my God, it is worse than I thought

 

Actually i think the vast majority of protests are non-violent. But the ones that aren't make the news.

Yes, people know that the supremacy rally was wrong, but putting a voice together matters. It tells those on the fringes (usually young and dumb) that they are joining the losing side. It also brings people together to support each other and keep people involved in the system to make positive change.



Side story. When I was 20 I was dating this woman and I would go over to her parents house for super or recreation. Her brother was 14 years old. He really liked me, we would joke, play hoops and whatnot. My girlfriend went home one day and saw that he had hung up an 8 foot tall banner of a swastika in his bedroom. My girlfriend asked him why, and he parroted some antisemitic shit he had heard. When he was told that I was Jewish, he took the banner down. He had never actually met a Jew (that he knew was Jewish) so it was easy to think of them as the other. `

Point of that story - By simply seeing others he cared about as other, it made him rethink his position. By having people go to a rally like that, perhaps a 14 year old boy will see his sister, father or friends go to the rally and that will be enough to make him rethink his position. Showing unity is how communities demonstrate what they consider important.

 

I was very pleased. It meant a lot.

 

Whoa whoa whoa. I try not to say retarded. It is really hard round here.

 

I don't understand. It really means that much to you guys if an elected republican or democrat specifically denounces this kind of stuff? why? why do you care about these people when they are professional liars? why to make you feel good do you need people you never met to denounce something? it's confusing. Shouldn't it go without being said that a majority of people do denounce this behavior? you would have to be a real idiot to think that behavior is okay

 

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/07/31/my-party-is-in-denial-about-donald-trump-215442

 

It's a big deal because silence from people with influence helps normalize behavior. The less something is perceived as a social disease, the more likely people who have some tendency in that direction to start acting on it. No one politician saying something makes a difference, but the more that do, the more entrenched it becomes and more difficult it becomes for people to believe that it's within the scope of acceptable behavior. It's not a question of whether "a majority" of people feel its wrong--it's a question of whether 5% think it's okay versus 6%. Bad social strains build or are weakened incrementally.

 

because I have doubt that the white nationalist group as small as you seem to think. I see how Trump has courted them and how it has paid off in his support. It worries me, so seeing other Republicans denounce White Supremacy means that they don't have the foothold that I fear they are trying to obtain.

 

Very well stated. I agree completely.

 

Here is my argument to this. You can't change everybody. You can't convert that 5 percent. Some people just have outrageous views no matter what you do. On this logic are Christians bad because they try and convert others to their religion? mormons? etc. I think the take away should be that a huge majority agree that this small group of people in the US are wrong and people recognize it as terrible behavior. If anybody thinks that is normal behavior then they are completely retarded. I mean go check the news or twitter. Nobody is saying this is okay. If anything people are making too big a deal about it and giving them too much credit

 

I think they are a small group. I mean how often do we really see something of this caliber? people act like we see it all the time. Not really. I don't support trump, but come on the guy didn't "court" them. This dude was a liberal through out his life and one day decided to run for president because he has a huge ego and just wants everybody to like him. Whats important is that he did actually say something and did denounce it. Sure he didn't specifically say white supremacy but he denounced it. I mean I just don't know what people in this country want. It's always never enough, the fake outrage and getting sensitive over everything, it doesn't stop.

 

Wow guys Seattle is looking really great right now!! fight that hate!!!

This is just so predictable. People try to fight hate with hate, when will people learn?

 

Now we have the "rallies against hate" in which now we can watch the alt left make zero sense. Look at all the antifa! how great!


so now we have the alt right idiots do their rally. Then in response the alt left comes out and gets shit going then plays victim. Wow, great country

 

Yeah, I don't think that's a good argument. First of all, you can reduce things to nearly 0%, even if you can't necessarily hit literally 0%. Second of all, even for people who never change their views, there's a lot of utility in ensuring that they don't feel emboldened to act on their views. Third of all, you can also prevent a belief from growing. Finally, the more people are willing to actively speak out against something, the more the Overton window moves. As it becomes more and more absurd to be a part of or support white supremacy, other race-related practices, like racial profiling, race-based gerrymandering, etc, will start to become less acceptable. It's not just about this one thing--everything is connected. You can't go from "racist society" to "100% non-racist society" in one step, it takes thousands of steps. One of those steps is loud denouncing of white supremacy by those in power on both sides of the aisle.

 

Can reduce things to nearly 0 percent. Okay, well that's not true. Go do that with religion or extremists in the middle east. Or even these racists we are seeing. If you think you can reduce these things to nearly 0 percent you are just being delusional about it. You are trying to live in a near perfect world and it isn't possible. There will always be these kinds of people and there is nothing you can do about it. Trying to make everybody believe what you believe or the majority is pointless because it wont work. If you think people of power can just come out and denounce something and that changes everything, you are wrong. EVERY protest we see people always trying to shove an ideology down others throats and guess what? doesn't work. Actually just ends up producing more hate because Antifa comes out and creates violence which in result makes the other side violent. Mostly everybody doesn't give a shit about these racists, people are posting their info online and they are losing their jobs, that in itself should show you that it's not okay on a majority level. So you didn't tell me why that was a bad argument at all, but you did say something outrageous in saying that you can reduce things to nearly 0 percent.

 

How many people believe in virgin sacrifice in the US? I never said you can reduce anything to nearly 0%. There are plenty of things you can. And why should we believe that we've reduced the amount of white supremacy as far as possible? Just because you say so?