OT Was Robert E. Lee really all that evil?

Statue of Chief Joseph.

(Sorry el prez, you'll have to figure out who that is on your own.)

 

and..The union placed a huge cemetery in his property.

 

The slavery issue was not a center point until 1863 when Lincoln addressed the union with the Emancipation Proclamation. The civil war also had a tremendous number of incompetent officers ( Ambrose Burnside)

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2001/mar/03/afghanistan.lukeharding

 

Explain how that is even remotely the same.

People are free to dress up as confederates and reenact Civil War battles. People are free to have all the confederate civil war statues on their property they want. People are free to open all the confederate museums they want.

The most popular show in PBS history was Ken Burns's Civil War. It covered both sides. We are not erasing the civil war from our history.

 

For now, people are free to do those things. Until the alt-left come out in force to beat the shit out of them.

I don't really care about these statues, but the effort to destroy them all is exactly the same as the Talliban.

 

Please stop with the alt left bullshit. Being against the KKK doesn't make you a liberal. Being against racism doesn't make you a liberal.

It makes you American.

Trump for some strange reason is trying to twist this into a left vs right thing and you are goosesteping right in line.

 

It's ironic how low the Trump haters go.

1. Give David Dukkke a microphone.
2. Fill the twitter echo chamber with Nazi propaganda.
3. They've gone McCarthyism on this Russia thing, too blind to see it.
4. Eradication of statues of historical value, a la Talliban.

 

Denier.

 

Left wing tilted source again. About Portland, one of many places where similar violence has occurred.


https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2017/09/the-rise-of-the-violent-left/534192/

The Rise of the Violent Left
Antifa’s activists say they’re battling burgeoning authoritarianism on the American right. Are they fueling it instead?

Since 1907, portland, oregon, has hosted an annual Rose Festival. Since 2007, the festival had included a parade down 82nd Avenue. Since 2013, the Republican Party of Multnomah County, which includes Portland, had taken part. This April, all of that changed.

In the days leading up to the planned parade, a group called the Direct Action Alliance declared, “Fascists plan to march through the streets,” and warned, “Nazis will not march through Portland unopposed.” The alliance said it didn’t object to the Multnomah GOP itself, but to “fascists” who planned to infiltrate its ranks. Yet it also denounced marchers with “Trump flags” and “red maga hats” who could “normalize support for an orange man who bragged about sexually harassing women and who is waging a war of hate, racism and prejudice.” A second group, Oregon Students Empowered, created a Facebook page called “Shut down fascism! No nazis in Portland!”

Next, the parade’s organizers received an anonymous email warning that if “Trump supporters” and others who promote “hateful rhetoric” marched, “we will have two hundred or more people rush into the parade … and drag and push those people out.” When Portland police said they lacked the resources to provide adequate security, the organizers canceled the parade. It was a sign of things to come.

 

Those responses sometimes spill blood. Since antifa is heavily composed of anarchists, its activists place little faith in the state, which they consider complicit in fascism and racism. They prefer direct action: They pressure venues to deny white supremacists space to meet. They pressure employers to fire them and landlords to evict them. And when people they deem racists and fascists manage to assemble, antifa’s partisans try to break up their gatherings, including by force.

Such tactics have elicited substantial support from the mainstream left. When the masked antifa activist was filmed assaulting Spencer on Inauguration Day, another piece in The Nation described his punch as an act of “kinetic beauty.” Slate ran an approving article about a humorous piano ballad that glorified the assault. Twitter was inundated with viral versions of the video set to different songs, prompting the former Obama speechwriter Jon Favreau to tweet, “I don’t care how many different songs you set Richard Spencer being punched to, I’ll laugh at every one.”

The violence is not directed only at avowed racists like Spencer: In June of last year, demonstrators—at least some of whom were associated with antifa—punched and threw eggs at people exiting a Trump rally in San Jose, California. An article in It’s Going Down celebrated the “righteous beatings.”