Politics STEVE BANNON READIES HIS REVENGE The war on Jared Kushner is about to go nuclear.

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    Fine people on both sides. Surely 7 in 10 Americans are not violent right wing nazi types.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/aug/16/why-is-the-us-still-fighting-the-civil-war

    Lowndes says: “They are presented as being part of a continuous heritage, but the idea that these symbols have anything to do with anything but racial reaction is wrong.”

    Not everyone agrees with this assessment – in particular, contemporary white Americans. According to the American Values Survey by not-for-profit polling organisation PRRI, around seven in 10 working-class whites believe that the flag is a symbol of “southern pride” rather than “racism”. Sixty percent of whites of all classes feel this way, and so do 51% of Americans as a whole – whereas 80% of black Americans say it is a racist symbol, and it is African Americans fighting for racial justice who have been the foremost critics of confederate symbols since they were erected.
     
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    The news today on CNN is 24/7 "the wall" and "government shutdown looming."
     
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    hahahahahaha
     
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    I heard the speech, he turned nothing around, same old schpiel.....evil media....crooked blah, blah, blah...toxic governor....lies about crowd size...next up...his speech in Mexico......he's not funding his wall and to prove his point, he'll probably let govt shut down.....soldiers will not get checks, not their families if that happens...he's lied about defeating ISIS in 90 days after the election....they are now in Afghanistan regrouping...Trump has no healthcare support, no infrastructure funding, no wall funding, no friends in Congress, the Senate or the world....how you see his stump speech as turning it around is sort of baffling....same old script.
     
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    yet you follow them 24/7 like you were Trump's defense lawyer.....I would never read Breitbart as often as you seem to follow CNN
     
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    If I think someone or organization is lying 24/7 personally, I tune them out if they're media....when it's the president, I pay attention.
     
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    I find the buffoonery by the CNN anchors and talking heads as they destroy their own integrity to be fascinating.
     
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    See if 7 in 10 working class white Americans would march with neo Nazis, as the people on the neo Nazi side that Trump praised as "fine people" did.
     
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    6 in 10 do not want the statues removed.

    Fine people on both sides.

    Or is it you who wants to equate those 6 in 10 with nazis?
     
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    How many of them would march with neo Nazis? Fine people can not want the statues removed, but fine people don't march with neo Nazis.
     
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    We don't know because the media is selectively showing only Nazis and other bigots, and only the same couple dozen at that.
     
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    I'm talking about the people in the polls you're citing. We know that all the people in that march were willing to march with neo Nazis, because they did.

    As I said, you can be a fine person and respond to a poll that you don't want the statues taken down. You can't be a fine person if you march with neo Nazis, as Trump alleged.
     
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    I estimate maybe 100?
     
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    You are equating the fine people who don't want statues taken down with Nazis.

    Figures.

    Kinda two-faced.

    Well, not kinda.
     
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    Exact opposite of what I posted. Re-read and try again, friend-o.
     
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    Whatever you say, pal. In fact, this is what you said:

    "You can't be a fine person if you march with neo Nazis, as Trump alleged."

    It's just wrong. And you are equating fine people with neo Nazis.
     
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    If you want to throw in with people who associate with neo Nazis, that's your prerogative.

    You can be a reasonable and decent person and believe that the statues don't need to come down. I'd disagree with that position, but I don't think that viewpoint makes one a bad person. Once you decide to associate yourself with neo Nazis by marching with them, you cease your claim to being a fine and decent person. Just common sense unless you don't have a problem with neo Nazis.
     
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    That's what happens when you only watch the TV spin on events.....social media has photos not under CNN's umbrella for example...the folks at that protest have many photos....broaden your research...there are lots of photos not scripted by journalists and I don't really believe all these journalist conspiracy theories either....I'm sure there are a few bad ones and a lot of good ones....but you only point out those bad ones.....double standard?
     
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    You did.

    "You can't be a fine person if you march with neo Nazis, as Trump alleged."
     
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    I have broadened my research.

    I've written that I don't know which people Trump was talking about. There may have been people who want the statue to remain who participated, who weren't of the racist kind.
     

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