My question is, is the president helping bring everyone together or is he helping the division? Thats the real question. In my eyes and research he has been very timid on being strong on anything social that could bring this country together, or at least help in any way.
that's a pretty dismissive statement about not being worried about them when one of "them" ran down a group of protesters and killed one of them. I condemn the antifa violence whole heartedly but they have yet to do a mass causality act of anything similar.
There's actually a lot more than you think. Those were just ones that traveled to Charlottesville. I personally don't condone violence from any side. I get just as discouraged about people that I would feel I would support using violence to make a point. I dont know much about antifa, but the little I do know, they seem to take to violence too. I need to do more research on them. As far as your last comment - as long as there are people that are trying to affect others negatively, and people that are getting affected by them, there should be concern. Especially if the president is giving them indirect support. Doesn't matter if it's in my city or not, it's affecting americans. That's the key.
I don't think he is bringing everybody together, never said he was. I just don't think it's the presidents responsibility as if we are children that don't know how top treat each other till father president comes in and tells us how to act you know? obviously he isn't very president like and we knew that before he took office. I think more is on the people. Right now we are seeing a terrible hurricane going on and it seems only natural disasters or events bring people together and put aside all the bullshit. From 9/11 to Katrina we saw people come together like never before and put aside all the bullshit. Other than that, nobody really comes together, and the media doesn't help. We have people with agendas out there whether it's racial division or whatever, it's tough. bringing everybody together is tough but it's a group effort
In 1999, undercover MCSO deputies arrested James Saville, then 18 years old, and charged him with plotting to kill Arpaio with a pipe bomb. A local television station had been tipped off to the arrest by the MCSO, and broadcast footage of the arrest that evening. The MCSO held a news conference shortly after the arrest, and Arpaio appeared in interviews on local television stations, saying "If they think they are going to scare me away with bombs and everything else, it's not going to bother me." After spending four years in jail awaiting trial, Saville was about to sign a plea deal that would have sent him to prison for 20 years. Although he maintained his innocence, he was initially unwilling to take a chance on being given an even longer sentence if convicted. However, the former head of undercover investigations for the MCSO called Saville's legal team with a bombshell -- based on his review of the case, he felt that Saville had been entrapped. Although entrapment is all but impossible to prove in most jurisdictions, Saville's attorneys eventually discovered that MCSO detectives had bought the bomb parts themselves, then convinced Saville to build it even though he was not predisposed to commit such a crime. On July 9, 2003, a Maricopa County Superior Court jury acquitted Saville, finding that the bomb plot was an elaborate publicity stunt to boost Arpaio's reelection bid. In 2004, Saville sued Arpaio and Maricopa County for wrongful arrest and entrapment, seeking $10 million in damages. In 2008, the suit was settled, with Maricopa County paying Saville $1.6 million. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Arpaio#Staged_assassination_plot
right and that was a crazy person. should of never happened. I am not saying one is worse than the other but one is denounced by everybody I have come across while CNN posted an article the other day about antifa and how they need to do what they do for peace. Doesn't make sense
The media doesn't help, that's true. It's never helped on anything. And you are absolutely right that it is a group effort. But, the president does have it in him to make the final decisions and to exercise powers and rights that us as an entire group can only petition him to do. So in a way yes and no... we don't need him but we absolutely need him, and unfortunately he seems like the absent father who we just need to make sure he gives us a safe place to live. I get where you're coming from, but we do need him to co-sign on some things if this country is going to get a little safer, too.
Maybe there is, I don't claim to know all of them that exist, I am sure there are a lot in the south, midwest but they don't ever come out. Maybe that's why we just don't see them. Crazy ideologies are bound to happen and stay in society unfortunately, it's just how the world works. Wish it wasn't that way. I think both alt left and right affect this country negatively. Even both parties affect this country negatively.
don't worry about cnn, fox bretbart msnbc. its not all of the left nor all of the right . both sides have talking heads who's reasonings are riddled with hypocrisy. the right news groups are just as guilty, so calling one worse than the other defeats your narrative many times. I cannot defend the positions of journalist I generally respect all of the time when asked for their opinion , or when it has slanted a piece too far one way or the other.
I don't think we need him. We don't need anybody to make changes of our own. Now with us, I don't think we are the type on the forum to go crazy on people and further create that division, we all have different opinions though. There are though as seen with the neo nazis and very young people in college being told things that just aren't true so they get angry instead of researching, they get upset over little things and go to protests and get violent, yell at cops. None of that is good. On both sides. I mean Obama used to say all the right things but there were very real things that happened under his presidency that rubbed me the wrong way particularly the drone strikes. How can you preach peace but have all these civilians in the middle east getting gunnned down by drones? that's why their words mean nothing to me. To me these guys are just professional liars and people believe their lies.
I don't think they feel safe at all, they know people are against them. Same with Antifa, they have to wear masks because they are scared. It's easy to hide. Like internet trolls behind a keyboard. It's easier to act a certain way and just hide
I am not on either side. Fox is bullshit, breitbart, any of the super right media, I dislike it all. It's just obvious when you read or watch what side one is bias too and honestly it doesn't help the division and neither does the race baiting they do with stories.
No, you are most definitely not for giving Trump shit. You complain constantly about other people giving Trump shit. Maybe it's only ok for you to do so? What you are engaging in here is known as false equivalence. Yes, there have been crooked politicians since the dawn of time. That does not mean that every politician is crooked, or that any two crooked politicians are equally crooked. Degree matters. No idea what you are talking about and I suspect neither do you. Nope, I think we remember that one. Right... old people (in their 50's) are more gullible than, say, 25 year olds with their fully-developed brains. No you don't. barfo
see, why even respond to somebody like you if you are just gonna be a smart ass? I get it, you don't like me, dope don't respond then. I just said how much I disliked trump but now all of a sudden I like him according to you. I am fine with giving trump shit ass long as it makes sense but if you wanna run around calling dude a fascist then that makes no since because that disrespects people who actually have lived under fascists or that still do. It's an over exaggeration. Most politicians are crooked or liars or even both but okay. Obama could sit there and preach peace but how many drone killings were there? I will let you do the research. Agreed with me on bush. How ironic, wouldn't expect somebody on the left to agree with me bad mouthing somebody on the right how crazy...
[/QUOTE] and how can you give me shit for saying that about older people, not all. Then you turn around and diss me for being 25?
and how can you give me shit for saying that about older people, not all. Then you turn around and diss me for being 25?[/QUOTE] me? diss you for being 25? better show me the quote in reference to what I was responding to.
