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Nash is particularly impressive with 4 official seasons and 2 near misses, and all in his 30's, no less. Also (obviously) 50/40/90 over those 6 seasons combined (50.9, 44.1, 91.8), with a cumulative TS% of 62.7%. Phenomenal numbers and phenomenal consistency.
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And yet there are people who claim he didn't deserve those MVP awards. He was doing this at the same time he was leading the league in assists and leading his team to the best record in the league.

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Damn you, you stole my thunder! My bold prediction was going to be that in 2017-18 C.J. McCollum would become the 8th official member of the 50/40/90 club. I had planned to start a thread on this exact topic a could days ago, but got busy and didn't get around to it

I have posted it several times, but C.J. has improved ALL of his shooting percentages for four straight seasons. His FG%, 2FG%, 3FG%, FT%, eFG% and TS% have all improved every year he's been in the league. That's damn near impossible to do, but he's done it.

What makes that even more impressive is he's done that while his role and number of shot attempts in each area have also increased. Often you will see a player improve his scoring efficiency when he becomes more selective and takes fewer shots.

The year C.J. won MIP he went from a back up averaging 6.8 ppg in 15.7 mpg to a starter averaging 20.8 ppg in 34.7 mpg. His increase in scoring wasn't just due to an increase in minutes. His PT rose by a little over 2x (2.2), but his scoring increased by over 3x (3.1). That's a huge jump in scoring efficiency - all while moving from a back up to a starter and No. 2 option.

And, his improved shooting percentages last season were even greater than they were the year he won MIP. Because he played comparable minutes and his scoring "only" rose from 20.8 to 23.0 ppg most people don't realize that C.J. actually improved more (in terms of shooting percentages) last year that he did the year before when he won MIP.

Just look at his improved FT shooting. In 2014-15, he was a very below average, for a guard, .699 FT shooter. Two years later he led the whole damn league in FT% at .912. I don't ever recall seeing another player who went from being a below 70% FT shooter to later leading the league in FT shooting.

This consistent improvement in his shooting is a testament to how hard C.J. works on his game in the off season, and also how smart he is about it. Whatever he's doing, it's providing consistent improvement.

So, even robbed of my thunder, I will boldly predict that in 2017-18 C.J. McCollum will become the 8th member of the exclusive 50/40/90 club.

I posted the link above, but I'm going to repost it here:

50-40-90 Club

This is a great article that shows just how exclusive this club is. There are currently only seven members: Larry Bird (twice), Mark Price, Reggie Miller, Dirk Nowitski (lockout shortened season), Steve Nash (4 times), Kevin Durant and Steph Curry, with Bird and Nash being the only players to accomplish the feat more than once.

Curry's 50-40-90 season is especially impressive given the number of 3-pointers he attempted (and made). His 886 3FG attempts is over 500 more than the second most on the list and his 402 3FG made is nearly 5x the official qualifying criterion of 82 made 3FGs. Keep in mid the "50" is overall FG%, not 2FG%. Players who take a lot of 3FGs tend to have a lower FG% because if they are making less 50% of their 3 pointers it drags their overall FG% down below the 50% cutoff line.

If C.J. does make the 50-40-90 club he will likely be second only to Curry in terms of made 3FGs. Nash is currently second with 179 made 3FGs. C.J. has made more than that each of the last two seasons (197 and 185).

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Fantastic write up. It's not hard to see Cj being a top 10 player very soon and easily the best player we have on the team

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Boob-No-More said: ↑

Damn you, you stole my thunder! My bold prediction was going to be that in 2017-18 C.J. McCollum would become the 8th official member of the 50/40/90 club. I had planned to start a thread on this exact topic a could days ago, but got busy and didn't get around to it

I have posted it several times, but C.J. has improved ALL of his shooting percentages for four straight seasons. His FG%, 2FG%, 3FG%, FT%, eFG% and TS% have all improved every year he's been in the league. That's damn near impossible to do, but he's done it.

What makes that even more impressive is he's done that while his role and number of shot attempts in each area have also increased. Often you will see a player improve his scoring efficiency when he becomes more selective and takes fewer shots.

The year C.J. won MIP he went from a back up averaging 6.8 ppg in 15.7 mpg to a starter averaging 20.8 ppg in 34.7 mpg. His increase in scoring wasn't just due to an increase in minutes. His PT rose by a little over 2x (2.2), but his scoring increased by over 3x (3.1). That's a huge jump in scoring efficiency - all while moving from a back up to a starter and No. 2 option.

And, his improved shooting percentages last season were even greater than they were the year he won MIP. Because he played comparable minutes and his scoring "only" rose from 20.8 to 23.0 ppg most people don't realize that C.J. actually improved more (in terms of shooting percentages) last year that he did the year before when he won MIP.

Just look at his improved FT shooting. In 2014-15, he was a very below average, for a guard, .699 FT shooter. Two years later he led the whole damn league in FT% at .912. I don't ever recall seeing another player who went from being a below 70% FT shooter to later leading the league in FT shooting.

This consistent improvement in his shooting is a testament to how hard C.J. works on his game in the off season, and also how smart he is about it. Whatever he's doing, it's providing consistent improvement.

So, even robbed of my thunder, I will boldly predict that in 2017-18 C.J. McCollum will become the 8th member of the exclusive 50/40/90 club.

I posted the link above, but I'm going to repost it here:

50-40-90 Club

This is a great article that shows just how exclusive this club is. There are currently only seven members: Larry Bird (twice), Mark Price, Reggie Miller, Dirk Nowitski (lockout shortened season), Steve Nash (4 times), Kevin Durant and Steph Curry, with Bird and Nash being the only players to accomplish the feat more than once.

Curry's 50-40-90 season is especially impressive given the number of 3-pointers he attempted (and made). His 886 3FG attempts is over 500 more than the second most on the list and his 402 3FG made is nearly 5x the official qualifying criterion of 82 made 3FGs. Keep in mid the "50" is overall FG%, not 2FG%. Players who take a lot of 3FGs tend to have a lower FG% because if they are making less 50% of their 3 pointers it drags their overall FG% down below the 50% cutoff line.

If C.J. does make the 50-40-90 club he will likely be second only to Curry in terms of made 3FGs. Nash is currently second with 179 made 3FGs. C.J. has made more than that each of the last two seasons (197 and 185).

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Nash was a little like Stockton. Both were such good playmakers, the average fan has a hard time remembering how good they were at shooting.

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Boob-No-More said: ↑

Damn you, you stole my thunder! My bold prediction was going to be that in 2017-18 C.J. McCollum would become the 8th official member of the 50/40/90 club. I had planned to start a thread on this exact topic a could days ago, but got busy and didn't get around to it

I have posted it several times, but C.J. has improved ALL of his shooting percentages for four straight seasons. His FG%, 2FG%, 3FG%, FT%, eFG% and TS% have all improved every year he's been in the league. That's damn near impossible to do, but he's done it.

What makes that even more impressive is he's done that while his role and number of shot attempts in each area have also increased. Often you will see a player improve his scoring efficiency when he becomes more selective and takes fewer shots.

The year C.J. won MIP he went from a back up averaging 6.8 ppg in 15.7 mpg to a starter averaging 20.8 ppg in 34.7 mpg. His increase in scoring wasn't just due to an increase in minutes. His PT rose by a little over 2x (2.2), but his scoring increased by over 3x (3.1). That's a huge jump in scoring efficiency - all while moving from a back up to a starter and No. 2 option.

And, his improved shooting percentages last season were even greater than they were the year he won MIP. Because he played comparable minutes and his scoring "only" rose from 20.8 to 23.0 ppg most people don't realize that C.J. actually improved more (in terms of shooting percentages) last year that he did the year before when he won MIP.

Just look at his improved FT shooting. In 2014-15, he was a very below average, for a guard, .699 FT shooter. Two years later he led the whole damn league in FT% at .912. I don't ever recall seeing another player who went from being a below 70% FT shooter to later leading the league in FT shooting.

This consistent improvement in his shooting is a testament to how hard C.J. works on his game in the off season, and also how smart he is about it. Whatever he's doing, it's providing consistent improvement.

So, even robbed of my thunder, I will boldly predict that in 2017-18 C.J. McCollum will become the 8th member of the exclusive 50/40/90 club.

I posted the link above, but I'm going to repost it here:

50-40-90 Club

This is a great article that shows just how exclusive this club is. There are currently only seven members: Larry Bird (twice), Mark Price, Reggie Miller, Dirk Nowitski (lockout shortened season), Steve Nash (4 times), Kevin Durant and Steph Curry, with Bird and Nash being the only players to accomplish the feat more than once.

Curry's 50-40-90 season is especially impressive given the number of 3-pointers he attempted (and made). His 886 3FG attempts is over 500 more than the second most on the list and his 402 3FG made is nearly 5x the official qualifying criterion of 82 made 3FGs. Keep in mid the "50" is overall FG%, not 2FG%. Players who take a lot of 3FGs tend to have a lower FG% because if they are making less 50% of their 3 pointers it drags their overall FG% down below the 50% cutoff line.

If C.J. does make the 50-40-90 club he will likely be second only to Curry in terms of made 3FGs. Nash is currently second with 179 made 3FGs. C.J. has made more than that each of the last two seasons (197 and 185).

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Didn't Meyers have a 50/40/90 season, but he didn't qualify based on shots made or games played or something?

Talk about regression.

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Nash was a little like Stockton. Both were such good playmakers, the average fan has a hard time remembering how good they were at shooting.
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Of course, Stockton is the career leader in assists by a huger margin, but he is also the career leader in steals by an equally large margin. People who didn't see him play don't realize he was also a great defender.

I think his durability is also overlooked. He played in all 82 games 16 times (as well as all 50 games in the 1999-2000 seasn) and never missed a playoff game. Counting playoffs,. he appeared in 1686 of a possible 1708 games. In 19 seasons, he played in every regular season and every playoff game 17 times.

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Didn't Meyers have a 50/40/90 season, but ur didn't qualify based on shots made or Ganges played or something?

Talk about regression.
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He didn't come close to qualifying. The qualifying standards are:

300 made FG
82 made 3FG
125 made FT

Meyers totals were:
125 made FG
47 made 3FG
30 made FT

Still, I'd gladly take that Meyers over 2016-17 Meyers. He also rebounded well that year (and the year before) and played well in the MEM series.

Then we fired Kim Hughes...

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And yet there are people who claim he didn't deserve those MVP awards. He was doing this at the same time he was leading the league in assists and leading his team to the best record in the league.

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And, subtract him from that team and what do you have?

You have the IDIOTS from NBA2K putting that team on the video game WITHOUT Nash...

Yeah... That team is SHIT without him.

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Of course, Stockton is the career leader in assists by a huger margin, but he is also the career leader in steals by an equally large margin. People who didn't see him play don't realize he was also a great defender.
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There's a reason why I didn't bring up defense when saying Nash and Stockton were similar.

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I hope we have 6-7 rotation players in double figures scoring...and CJ doesn't have t0 score 30 to win

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I hope we have 6-7 rotation players in double figures scoring...and CJ doesn't have t0 score 30 to win
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Who is that 6 or 7 that have a chance to score double figures?

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Who is that 6 or 7 that have a chance to score double figures?
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We were lucky to have 2 or 3 last season so.....that's a good question....starters plus 6 man plus backup center.....great teams seem to have that balance..

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Who is that 6 or 7 that have a chance to score double figures?
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Dame, CJ, Turner, Mo, Nurk, and...Swanigan?

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I would have lost.

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Dame, CJ, Nurk,Chief,ET,Mo,Swanigan/Vonleh

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Dame, CJ, Nurk,Chief,ET,Mo,Swanigan/Vonleh
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Very wishful thinking. I think we'll have 4, maximum.
Those guys would combine for ~110ppg if we had 7 average double digits.

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I'm less concerned about Lillard jacking shots from 30 ft. Than I am Harkless/Aminu/Vonleh/Nards actually forcing their man to guard them.
Simply because there were times where Lillard jacking that 30 footer was a better offensive possession than running a set and allowing the defense to double.

To stay on topic ~ CJ will shoot a higher % 17-18 across the board due to having another player to play off of.

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Very wishful thinking. I think we'll have 4, maximum.
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You do know that we had 5 last year, right, with 2 others less than 1.5 ppg short?

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Very wishful thinking. I think we'll have 4, maximum.
Those guys would combine for ~110ppg if we had 7 average double digits.
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Player averages do not add up to the team average.

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