Merged: Crabbe Traded to Brk

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  1. THE HCP

    THE HCP NorthEastPortland'sFinest

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    Actually they will be getting SO blown out every game, it'll just resemble summer league by the second half.
     
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  2. Boob-No-More

    Boob-No-More Why you no hire big man coach?

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    So, basically 24 minutes of garbage time a night. And I'm still not sure if Crabbe will be able to create his own looks in that situation.

    BNM
     
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    Except it's not hindsight. Several of us were very adamant that matching Crabbe was a bad move from the beginning.

    I'd call it more vindication....
     
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    Now that I agree with. I'm not a huge fan of Pat or Jake, but I don't think it's too far fetched that one of them could be better this year than Aminu, Turner, Davis and maybe even Crabbe were last year. In fact, I think it's fairly likely that Pat or Jake (maybe both!) will be better than at least one of the 16/17 version of A/T/D/C. It's a pretty low bar, but I'd certainly rather pay Pat/Jake $1M than the others $7-17M for the same results.
     
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    BlazerCaravan Hug a Bigot... to Death

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    By your own analysis Patty C has a better PER and WS/48, and costs 1/10th the price. Looks like his replacement was already playing for us.

    EDIT I see you're on a similar page now.
     
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    I'd call it a lucky (educated) guess. That a fan can somehow predict a player's future better than a GM.
     
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    Yeah, I've never understood the hate for Pat C. He's fine for his role and contract. I have zero complaints about him. And from what little I've seen of him, he looks like he could easily be better than a lot of our regular rotation players. And if he's not, I don't care because he's not making enough to have an impact on our ability to make roster moves.
    Pat C is a-okay in my book.
     
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  9. Boob-No-More

    Boob-No-More Why you no hire big man coach?

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    Of course, there are huge differences in sample size between their 2016-17 numbers, but go back and look at Crabbe's career trajectory and compare it to Pat's. Year 3 was the breakout year for Crabbe when he jumped from 3.3 ppg to 10.3 ppg. I'm not predicting the same jump in scoring average for Connaughton, but it's not unreasonable to see him playing a larger role now that Crabbe is gone and we need some shooting at that position.

    Unless, of course, we use the TPE on a veteran 3 & D shooting guard, then it's back to the end of the bench for Pat.

    BNM
     
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    Boob-No-More Why you no hire big man coach?

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    He also seems well liked and seems to genuinely like his teammates and openly cheers for their success. I'd much rather have that than someone who sulks, complains about PT and is a regular pain in the ass.

    BNM
     
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    Goodie goodie gumdrops! We had him for 30 minutes a game last year. And the Blazers were a below mediocre team till we got Nurkic.
     
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    Right. Because being a GM is so dificult and they ALWAYS know best.
     
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    The GOAT was on Oprah said it best. 'Young NBA players are paid off potential instead of production.'

    No one has to like it, but it's a general fact.
     
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    And in the same vein, GM's are evaluated off of results, not intentions. And at present, the results of his matching a $75M offer for Crabbe's potential are $20M flushed and a TPE. Yes, I'm hoping he is able to use the TPE to improve the team, but if he doesn't, I don't think it's unreasonable to call it a failure.
     
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    It's actually closer to $30M flushed down the toilet. $18M on Nicholson & the $12M over-payment for Crabbe's production last year.
     
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    I was trying to ignore last year and just pretend that last year's Crabbe performance was simply the cost of doing business, simply because the money spent on him for last season has no lasting impact going forward, whereas the Nicholson stretch and the TPE still exist.
     
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    Knowing that no GM can be perfect, what is the expected hit rate for talent acquisition and retention? If aGM offers Indiana a better deal than Pritchard took, but didn't get Paul George, is that a failure of the offering GM, of Pritchard, of both, or of neither?
     
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    Were you on board or not with matching Crabbe? I'm still trying to figure that out. You said for lower but what were your thoughts at the actual time of signing?
     
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    I'm honestly not sure if I was OK with the match. That was a long time ago. I saw one post where I was trying to justify it, but I'm not sure if in the moment I actually believed what I was saying or if I was trying to talk myself into being OK with it.

    Aha!! Found the thread with the poll, and I voted no at the time.

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    Well then I have no problem with you chastising NO for the move then.
     
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