Yeah. It's not even so much the trees. It's the underbrush that causes the fires. But people like to leave nature completely untouched. They put up signs telling you to only stay on the trails. The natives did controlled burns but they also did it to clear land for farming. People don't seem to understand that if you leave nature completely untouched, eventually this will happen. But climate change is definitely having a huge impact on our forests.
Read up tho: Documented Reasons or Purposes for Indian Burning Keeping large areas of forest and mountains free of undergrowth and small trees was just one of many reasons for using fire in ecosystems. What follows is a summary of documented reasons or purposes for changing ecosystems through intentional burning by American Indians. This activity has greatly modified landscapes across the continent in many subtle ways that have often been interpreted as "natural" by the early explorers, trappers, and settlers. Even many research scientists who study presettlement forest and savannah fire evidence tend to attribute most prehistoric fires as being caused by lightning (natural) rather than by humans. This problem arises because there was no systematic record keeping of these fire events. Thus the interaction of people and ecosystems is down played or ignored, which often leads to the conclusion that people are a problem in "natural" ecosystems rather than the primary force in their development. Henry T. Lewis, who has authored more books and articles on this subject than anyone else, concluded that there were at least 70 different reasons for the Indians firing the vegetation (Lewis 1973). Other writers have listed fewer number of reasons, using different categories (Kay 1994; Russell 1983). In summary, there are eleven major reasons for American Indian ecosystem burning, which are derived from well over 300 studies: Hunting - The burning of large areas was useful to divert big game (deer, elk, bison) into small unburned areas for easier hunting and provide open prairies/meadows (rather than brush and tall trees) where animals (including ducks and geese) like to dine on fresh, new grass sprouts. Fire was also used to drive game into impoundments, narrow chutes, into rivers or lakes, or over cliffs where the animals could be killed easily. Some tribes used a surround fire to drive rabbits into small areas. The Seminoles even practiced hunting alligators with fire. Torches were used to spot deer and attract or see fish at night. Smoke used to drive/dislodge raccoons and bears from hiding. Crop management - Burning was used to harvest crops, especially tarweed, yucca, greens, and grass seed collection. In addition, fire was used to prevent abandoned fields from growing over and to clear areas for planting corn and tobacco. One report of fire being used to bring rain (overcome drought). Clearing ground of grass and brush to facilitate the gathering of acorns. Fire used to roast mescal and obtain salt from grasses. Improve growth and yields - Fire was often used to improve grass for big game grazing (deer, elk, antelope, bison), horse pasturage, camas reproduction, seed plants, berry plants (especially raspberries, strawberries, and huckleberries), and tobacco. Fireproof areas - Some indications that fire was used to protect certain medicine plants by clearing an area around the plants, as well as to fireproof areas, especially around settlements, from destructive wildfires. Fire was also used to keep prairies open from encroaching shrubs and trees. Insect collection - Some tribes used a "fire surround" to collect & roast crickets, grasshoppers, pandora moths in pine forests, and collect honey from bees. Pest management - Burning was sometimes used to reduce insects (black flies & mosquitos) and rodents, as well as kill mistletoe that invaded mesquite and oak trees and kill the tree moss favored by deer (thus forcing them to the valleys where hunting was easier). Some tribes also used fire to kill poisonous snakes. Warfare & signaling - Use of fire to deprive the enemy of hiding places in tall grasses and underbrush in the woods for defense, as well as using fire for offensive reasons or to escape from their enemies. Smoke signals used to alert tribes about possible enemies or in gathering forces to combat enemies. Large fires also set to signal a gathering of tribes. During the Lewis & Clark expedition, a tree was set on fire by Indians in order to "bring fair weather" for their journey. Economic extortion - Some tribes also used fire for a "scorched-earth" policy to deprive settlers and fur traders from easy access to big game and thus benefitting from being "middlemen" in supplying pemmican and jerky. Clearing areas for travel - Fires were sometimes started to clear trails for travel through areas that were overgrown with grass or brush. Burned areas helped with providing better visibility through forests and brush lands for hunting and warfare purposes. Felling trees - Fire was reportedly used to fell trees by boring two intersecting holes into the trunk, then drop burning charcoal in one hole, allowing the smoke to exit from the other. This method was also used by early settlers. Another way to kill trees was to surround the base with fire, allowing the bark and/or the trunk to burn causing the tree to die (much like girdling) and eventually topple over. Fire also used to kill trees so that the wood could later be used for dry kindling (willows) and firewood (aspen). Clearing riparian areas - Fire was commonly used to clear brush from riparian areas and marshes for new grasses and tree sprouts (to benefit beaver, muskrats, moose, and waterfowl).
@dviss1 - Has your brother-in-law turned up? Also, I'll be praying for you and son (and everyone else in the path of Irma) this weekend... stay safe!
Yes, native americans used fire for many reasons all across North America. Locally, the Camas natives used it for crops. The natives of the Willamette valley used it for crops, nuts and hunting. But again, I have not heard of specific uses of fire by natives for forest management in the Columbia River Gorge. Also like I originally said, it would be extremely difficult and dangerous to do controlled burns in the gorge today. The gorge is Oregon's number one tourist attraction. To safely inform and eliminate all the people in that area in order to conduct controlled burns would be a monumental task. What is done today in the Columbia River Gorge is debris and undergrowth are removed and transported to large piles and those are set on fire. But as I hope you realize this is a gorge. This type of fire management is only conducted near roads.
Has anybody seen an estimate of the carbon emissions associated with these forest fires? I find it odd that people are still talking about "controlled burns" in the era of climate change concerns.
Sly has a hard enough time rounding up you assholes. Could you imagine telling people not to visit? The ensuing bitching about the government killing people and not doing their best is far too easy to see from a billion miles away. The weather dude on fox yesterday said when it gets to 80 or so, the gorge will cool down to the mid 60's and moisturize. That seems like a better call than wetting the forests and wasting water we already have issues with people peeing in.
No.... We still haven't heard from him. But I'm really assuming he's ok. He tends to be a drifter. Thank you so much.
I guess I just disagree. There's a solution and we need to find it. We cannot concede that it's a hopeless situation that we're doomed to succumb to. My forward thinking son is thinking of a solution now. How many other kids are?
I never knew anyone like this growing up. My friends and I were more interested in basketball & girls than going hiking to set off firecrackers. When we did go to sauvies, hagg, corn mazes or group events it was most certainly not to destroy shit. Maybe my friends and I were squares. Or maybe we were just teenage boys trying to get with teenage girls, and we knew destroying shit wasn't going to impress said girls.
Maybe it does more than doing nothing, but still I don't believe it accomplishes anything concrete. The thing is, I'm pulling for you and your folks to be well.
