I suppose this would be tech... I know there are a few digital audio savants around here @BlazerCaravan ... Ive been working on a couple of newer pieces of equipment I have picked up to help progress and modernize my band's sound. I picked up the Roland JD-XA and the Roland SPD-SX I have two different recording programs I use for instrument tracks for these items. I have Studio One 3 Artist and Pro Tools 12. Studio One is Presonus and should have a more seamless approach to the mixing using my board... However I am not fond ofthe layout at all compared to PT which I can create different tabs for mixing vs editing, and allows me to keep track of things better. The board I run is the Presonus StudioLive Series 3 What i'm trying to do is find a format that can syncronize the synth with the trigger pad, so I can use the Synth as a trigger for some uploaded samples (they synth is not a sampler, only has a sequencer) If I can do this, then it keeps the operations in my hands and not the drummer for certain things. A friend of mind mentions Ableton live as he uses it to sync up the lighting of his shows to coincide with the music, but when I checked it out, it looked like a really mathy, griddy layout. Im still a novice to alot of the digital aspects of music and am not sure where to dig to find out if there is even something like this. The Roland and Presonus forums, don't really dive into this much and the few topics Ive found that are related, don't have the same exact equipment I am using. If anyone knows what I am talking about and has any ideas/suggestions, I would love the help. Ive posted this on a few musical forums I use for reference as well, but thought Id give you guys a shot, since this place also gets a ton of traffic.
LMAO. I missed that. Ill write some animal tune for you on it. What does animal sex sound like again? I'm stumped. Ive been working on it/researching it most of the day and haven't come up with anything clear that seems like it will work, but its all about searching the right keywords. Ugh.
wait. Just to be clear. I have NOT been researching anmial sex sounds most of the day!!!!! Ive been researching the fricken OP. Had to clear that up before I get misunderstood again, hahaha. It really reads bad. shit haha
I think the trick will be to use the MIDI OUT on the synth/board and the MIDI IN on the SX: https://www.sweetwater.com/sweetcare/articles/roland-spd-sx-assigning-midi-note-numbers-pads/ Basically the SX can trigger its sounds when it receives a MIDI note but you have to assign it (the directions are above). Sweet hardware! Wish I had the budget for them!
We need help from the person who won a Canadian Grammy. Paging @HomerLovesKoolAid... paging @HomerLovesKoolAid.
I know it will seem, odd, but I want to go the opposite direction. I want to load up a sample in the SX and trigger it through the XA if possible. The problem is I cant upload generic sounds into the XA, like gunshots and sirens and stuff. But I can load those into the SX trigger pad. I want to then sync the trigger pad to the XA, so I dont have to use the SX trigger pad for certain sounds. My reasoning for this is this. Certain songs, the drummer will use the trigger pad on certain things, like the siren and gunshots, and so the trigger pad will need to be near him. But we also want to upload certain piano parts that we dont want him to trigger, we want me to trigger with the SX. I have two synths, so I want to be able to trigger one sound at the exact same time I start playing the other synth, but we don't want to have to go through the click track sequencer in the XA, because then that will inhibit our freedom for the whole song. Ive been trying to work with the subgroups of my mixer to see if I could assign some sort of path that way, but no luck and I get confused easily with this stuff.
I know what you're asking for and I thought I was giving you directions to do that. Midi out from the XA, into the SX. You just need to assign a note to the pads so that the SX knows what note to look for FROM the XA to trigger the pad. Pick the lowest notes on the XA so they're out of the way. This is how Jordan Rudess did it in the late 90's with his keyboard setup.
MIDI is a ridiculously slow communication protocol. If you get enough instruments on the MIDI bus, you will notice a lot of lag - delays when a note should sound and when it does sound. If you have a pitch wheel on that keyboard, using it will generate a ton of MIDI traffic, slowing things down even more. MIDI is serial communications at 31.25kbits/sec. Broadband is at least 25mbit, or about 1000x faster. Ethernet is 40x faster than that (gig ethernet). I'm really surprised they still use it.
I used to do compositions with a Korg M1...Cool Edit Pro, Cakewalk, some outboard gear...simple setup...my warning to anyone going into electronic production is to not overdue it....just because you can fill every track with percussion or synth pads....it's easy to muddy up tracks in the end. Eventually I got away from it...spent too much time editing and toying with knobs instead of playing organic instruments....I'm now back on the analog track...getting ready to record a dozen songs I've yet to get on tape....it's fascinating the possibilities, though and I did play around with more symphonic compositions with the digital stuff....now my gear is much simpler.....I never understood why someone would spend a fortune on synths and hours tweaking sounds to make a keyboard sound like a harmonica when a harmonica is about 5 bucks. I get interesting keyboard sounds running my keyboard through my guitar stomp boxes...Boss Bass Flangers are great for making Hammond B3 organs sound big....if not for computer digital recording I think I'd never have needed glasses....literally spent thousands of hours editing in front of a giant old monitor.....headphones didn't help my hearing either after a stretch.....take a break from the console every 45 minutes is recommended
Met Homer for a couple of beers last week at his golf tournament....great guy...impressive history in the music world...hope to get up to Portland in the years to come and bug all you musicians up there!
you probably will end up buying sound cards for the XA and not loading them from another unit...midi will allow you to use either as a controller but probably just play the sounds in parallel...at least now synths talk to each other....when I started out Yamaha didn't talk to Roland or Korg.....now that's straightened out.
MIDI is fine, because the data being sent is minuscule. Yes Ethernet is faster but when a key press is msybe two bytes of data (key, velocity), what does it matter?
It doesn't matter how miniscule. From the time you send data to the time it's received, even 3 bytes, is absolutely noticeable. Over ethernet, I get < 1ms ping times. Over midi, those times are maybe 10ms, on an unloaded MIDI bus. If your message has to wait for a previous one to be sent, that delay is 20ms. It adds up. https://www.gearslutz.com/board/ele...on/415877-midi-latency-ever-noticeable-3.html MIDI is serial - If you send lots of bytes on 1:1:1 they will be smeared. The Midi standard even prioritises notes by channel if I recall. The issue is sending note and clock data, CCs and NRPNs all at once as mentioned above. No matter how slight your jitter (which logically can never be absolutely 0) or low your latency - once it hits the midi cable bandwidth kicks in.
most recording software has quantize function and because of those glitches however small...the programs line up the info as intended....they can make me play piano much better than I actually can for example....instead of performance...you enter the info..for midi purposes it doesn't need to be flawless but it's way faster now then it was in the 80s...that's for sure
Why is Denny shitting on Orion's new toys? "My GI Joe doll with the Kung Fu grip is better than your non-grippy GI Joe doll. Your family must be poor."
Denny's wouldn't have said anything if I hadn't posted. He's got this hard on for correcting me on anything technical.
I just got the korg volca kick analog bass drum synth thingy. Super fun, booooooming bass on the PA. 24x18" subs don't hurt.
