I'm all for stricter background checks. I think that paired with some form of effort to teach the people of this country about mental health is the answer. That way they can see signs in others, etc. however that definitely wouldn't work at all times. You simply can't control people, you also can't tell when somebody has these certain mental problems at times. Some people when something like this happens like to jump to blaming guns and solutions like hcp's just wouldn't work. Bad people are still going to get a hold of them. Chicago for example, strict gun law, doesn't work. Car accidents kill way more than guns in this country. Certain terrorist attacks in the past have involved vehicles whether Paris or London. Shit, what about that guy in New York not that long ago? Or what about that bomb at the Ariana grande concert? There have also been mass casualty attacks with knives. A lot of people out there are sick and will find any harmful way to hurt people. This is why majority Americans own guns, to protect themselves, their homes. As some have said in here, most people never take out their guns, they are just kept somewhere in case. People will continue to call for gun bans or control every time. Sure. It's illogical though. Like I said I'm down for stricter checks but I don't think people in here even understand some mental disorders. I learned a lot about that shit after a tragic incident close to me. You would of never known. It can be genetic. It just happened over a months time. Psychosis occurred. Just pulled the trigger on another family member because this person saw this person as something else. Hallucinating, all that. I think people need more education on mental health that could lead to violence because looking back now we could of stopped it if we knew the signs. They were there. That shit will haunt me the rest of my life. Unfortunately this country does more to develop mental illness than help. Look at Hollywood. The chase for fame, what people do. On instagram, twitter, etc. narccisstic kids being developed, listening to bullshit music on hurting others. Reality shows. This country is a shit show ran by a crazy egomaniac himself alongside other politicians that get everybody worked up over politics. At the end of the day this left and right shit doesn't matter. It's just divisive. We tend to only come together and drop the bullshit you in natural disasters or tragedy. If people acted towards each other like they did after something like 9/11, we would be great. Fact is we are too safe, too comfortable. Nothing is chasing us, we don't have to worry about food or how we are gonna survive so people develop these ideologies and that's how sjw's were born. Really unimportant issues. I hope shit gets better but at this rate we are just developing killers
Thread too long. Anyone mention machine guns are already illegal so gun laws obviously arent the answer?
fivethirtyeight.com https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/mass-shootings-are-a-bad-way-to-understand-gun-violence/ So mass shootings become a symbol of gun violence in general. The deaths of dozens become a window into the death of one, and a separate one, and a different one over there. This, of course, has already happened with the mass shooting on Sunday in Las Vegas that left at least 58 people dead and hundreds more injured. And this is a problem. What we know about mass shootings suggests that they are different from the everyday deaths that happen at the end of a gun. The weapon is the same. So much else is different. And the distorted image we get by using one as a lens through which to view the other has consequences for our understanding of the problem and the policies that might address it. ... Last year, we produced a series of stories on American gun deaths and the people behind the statistics. From that reporting, and other sources, we know mass shootings are different from other kinds of gun deaths in several ways. First, they’re rare, and the people doing the shooting are different. The majority of gun deaths in America aren’t even homicides, let alone caused by mass shootings. Two-thirds of the more than 33,000 gun deaths that take place in the U.S. every year are suicides... ... Second, the people killed in mass shootings are different from the majority of homicides. Most gun murder victims are men between the ages of 15 and 34. Sixty-six percent are black. Women — of any race and any age — are far less likely to be murdered by a gun. Unless that gun is part of a mass shooting. ... The historical trends for different kinds of gun deaths don’t all follow the same course. While data suggests that the number of mass shootings similar to the Las Vegas event has gone up, particularly since 2000,This is a tough thing to measure, partly because definitions of what counts as a “mass shooting” vary widely. Some counts have the numbers holding fairly stable over time, however these include a lot of shootings that aren’t very similar to what happened in Las Vegas — for instance, someone killing their direct nuclear family members in their home. ...homicide rates have fallen significantly from their 1980 peak and continued on a generally downward trajectory for most of the 21st century. Meanwhile, suicides are way up, with the biggest increases among women. The trends are different because the situations are different and the people are different. Maybe different solutions are warranted, as well. ... You could, theoretically, cut down on all these deaths with a blanket removal of guns from the U.S. entirely — something that is as politically unlikely as it is legally untenable. Barring that, though, policies aimed at reducing gun deaths will likely need to be targeted at the specific people who commit or are victimized by those incidents. And mass shootings just aren’t a good proxy for the diversity of gun violence. Policies that reduce the number of homicides among young black men — such as programs that build trustbetween community members, police and at-risk youth and offer people a way out of crime — probably won’t have the same effect on suicides among elderly white men. Background checks and laws aimed at preventing a young white man with a history of domestic violence from obtaining a gun and using it in a mass shooting might not prevent a similar shooting by an older white male with no criminal record. If we focus on mass shootings as a means of understanding how to reduce the number of people killed by guns in this country, we’re likely to implement laws that don’t do what we want them to do — and miss opportunities to make changes that really work. Gun violence isn’t one problem, it’s many. And it probably won’t have a single solution, either.
1. Because the shooter was white, American, and apparently Christian at least nominally, it was "pure evil"; nothing to be done. Had he been Muslim, black, immigrant that would be different. 2. After blithering about "unity", Trump encouraged Congress to vote for an extreme anti-abortion bill that has already been ruled unconstitutional in various states. Because NOTHING unifies the country like abortion! Meanwhile Children's Health Insurance Program ran out of funds as Congress did not have time to authorize new funding, Fuck, they're born, who cares? 3. I hear every time that laws won't stop all shootings, they are not perfect, so solution is do nothing. When cars first came on the scene they were death traps; the only reason there were not massive casualties was that there were few cars. So the roads got better; better paving, clear lines demarcating lanes and traffic direction, guard rails. The cars got better, better brakes, bumpers, padded dashboards, seat belts, air bags. Drivers still the weak link but drivers did get better, a license was required, there were age limits, drunk driving is no longer seen as a joke except by MRAs. But people still die! So should we get rid of the changes that cut the death rate by maybe 90% because hey, people still die, in car crashes the laws are not perfect? 4. When President Obama nominated the very moderate and inoffensive Merrick Garland to the Supreme Court, Mitch McConnell declared there would be no Senate hearings and the nomination blocked forever because, in theses exact words, he could not consider a justice who got a zero rating from the National Rifle Association.
Mags is on facebook claiming that there was at least 2 shooters. So either the cops were completely stupid or all agreed to take part in a giant conspiracy.
Why don't any of you understand why it is PURE evil? Why? It is so obvious. HE HAD NOTHING TO COMPLAIN ABOUT AND STILL WENT PSYCHO. White male? Check Wealthy? Check (supposedly) He had no reason to do this so it has to be pure insanity. (Which we white dudes SEEM to have cornered the market in) Then again, there was just a story where a black guy burned his pregnant girlfriend half to death. Not my fault morons who like to pick sides due to race like to jump on the color of the crazy person. Regular people of every color think the same thing when they hear about this shooting or an average gang drive by...why??????? I'm not even going to comment on your irrelevant abortion nonsense.
It should be relatively easy to examine video and check the audio for 2 guns firing at one time. I also don't think it is an either or. Not to mention the local news helicopter was following 10 or more cop cars following each other with lights on during this morning's commute. Cops could be stupid. They could be deliberately lying to us to catch someone. Who knows?
Brings up Christianity? Check Mentions that we're doing nothing? Check. Brings up the regulation of cars? Check. This is literally every post about this tragedy on facebook.
So, while every pundit is busy saying nasty things about one side or the other on the gun rights issue, I heard a couple of more micro scale things suggested yesterday that could help prevent or reduce the impact of a situation like that which happened in Vegas: 1. Large multi-story hotels could institute a mandatory policy that guests aren't allowed to carry their own bags up to their room. All bags would be subject to inspection or x-ray screening and then delivered to your room by a bellhop. 2. Security for large open air concerts should include a pair of trained police officers, one a sniper and the other a spotter, to return fire and take out the shooter. I'd add my own limited suggestion for a gun law: outlaw bump stocks & other kits designed to turn a semi-automatic rifle into a fully automatic one.
I guess number one would work but why not just have the large scanners the airport has at the main elevator check points so people can get to their room faster? I travel and I want to check in and put away my stuff.
I thought about this, but would you ban all guns from hotels? Vegas is actually a really popular location for gun enthusiasts because of special ranges that are available there. Or some people visit places specifically to go hunting. We allow people to transport guns in airplanes, as long as they're stowed below. So are we going to ban all guns from hotels and make people go through metal detectors when they enter the hotel? This is the first time something like this has ever happened in the US. Having a sniper in place might have saved some lives, but it would have taken them time to acquire the target, and what happens if the shooter takes them out first? Having snipers on duty for an event without any kind of imminent danger is going to eventually lead to a drop in combat effectiveness. Maybe at first they'd be gung ho, but after a few years of nothing ever happening, they'd start to take it as a boring gig and they wouldn't be as alert as they should be. And the advantage would be for the shooter because they would know that all concerts have a sniper team, so they would probably try to find the sniper team first. I'm not against the idea, but I don't know if it would be as effective as people might hope. I agree with this. Other than for fun, those two things serve no real purpose. They were meant as a toy for the gun range. They have no real world practical use, other than to do what the shooter in Vegas did, and I don't know of any gun owner that needs to be able to do that.
Why are some on here continuing to claim this has to do with mental illness? I've heard nothing about this guy having a history of this. Couldn't he just be a bad guy who wanted to take some people out with himself? I think it's easy to blame this on that, but has anybody heard anything about this?
