It doesn't matter if you go to the emergency room or not. You can get health care anywhere, but you might have to pay the doctor. That's life, and it's fair.
So you're not making a point. No money = no care unless you go to the emergency room. You can say "it's against the law" but people are being "denied" care because they don't have access to it in the first place.
No money, you get care and they sue you or whatever. You get the care. EDIT: 2/3 of all hospitals in the US are public or non-profit ones. The public ones cannot deny care for any issue you may have, regardless of your ability to pay. All hospitals and urgent care clinics must treat patients regardless of their ability to pay. My note: for the past 10 years, my entire health care has been through the neighborhood urgent care clinic. For my lupus, I do see a specialist, but the urgent care clinics were able to prescribe the same drugs the rheumatologist did. In my neighborhood in San Diego, there were 2 or 3 women's clinics that would treat for free. https://insight.kellogg.northwester...the-cost-of-the-uninsured-nonprofit-hospitals The government does provide some compensation to hospitals for treating low-income patients. Most of it is in the form of Disproportionate Share Hospital (DSH) payments, which, according to federal law, are owed to any qualified hospital that serves a large number of Medicaid and uninsured patients. But the research shows it is not enough to offset hospital costs. “The DSH payments are less than the uncompensated care that’s provided,” explains Garthwaite. Nor does the cost fall on those who hold private insurance policies, as many policymakers assume. “There’s this idea that hospitals simply pass on the costs of uncompensated care to privately insured patients by raising prices,” Garthwaite says—a phenomenon known as “cost-shifting,” which some have also interpreted as a “hidden tax” on all Americans. “We show evidence that it’s not true. If it were true, we wouldn’t see profits fall—but we see profits fall meaningfully following an increase in the share of the population that is uninsured.” Beyond the empirical evidence, though, Garthwaite says it is not clear that hospitals could shift costs in the way many policymakers assume they do. “Hospitals are sophisticated financial organizations,” he says. “If raising prices would have made them more money, they would have already raised prices.” Ultimately, hospitals are left to absorb at least two-thirds of the cost of all of this uncompensated care, the researchers estimate. Burden on Nonprofits Interestingly, nonprofit hospitals end up absorbing the bulk of this care. A majority of private hospitals in the United States—more than 70 percent—are nonprofit firms and therefore expected to provide a “community benefit” in exchange for tax relief. One key component of this community benefit is charity care for indigent patients. For-profit firms do not face a similar community-benefit standard. This means that when there are changes in the supply or demand of healthcare services to the poor, most of the burden—in terms of uncompensated care costs—falls on nonprofit hospitals, a finding that sheds new light on the role nonprofits play in the healthcare industry. In contrast to what many believe, nonprofit hospitals are not simply for-profits in disguise. “Previously, it wasn’t clear exactly what kind of role nonprofit hospitals were playing,” he says. “Th
Post whatever you want. No one goes to the hospital emergency room for say a skin condition. You don't go to the emergency room for psoriasis. Again, make sense...
You don't go to an emergency room for a skin condition, you go to the urgent care clinic or go pay $60 for doctor (way cheaper than ObamaCare premium).
Pardon me for fact checking you (and me). I said $60. The going rate for a "cheaper" dermatologist is typically between $100 and $170 per visit. An "expensive" dermatologist might charge upwards of $200. If you're unsatisfied with the cost of your visit, talk to your dermatologist's bookkeeper and ask how to secure a reduced rate on your next appointment. Most practices are happy to oblige this request. In fact, you'll often be able to receive the lower "insurance-only" rate for an office visit simply by asking for it. Law Dictionary: How Much Is a Visit to the Dermatologist without Health Insurance?
Yeah, no. Most Drs. don't see people without health insurance. And what if you don't have the $60? You're really not making sense right now. And The Thing just yelled "it's clobberin' time!!" and cut 9 million kids off the rolls. Some of them will die because of it.
Yes they do. When I had no insurance and went to the doctor, they gave me a "paying cash rate." They want to make money and they'll take what they can reasonably get. If you can't afford $60, you're fucked no matter what care you need. You are just saying stuff with nothing to back it up. No more people are going to die, that's both silly and hyperbole.
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And you truly need to stop pretending like the Republicans are trying to do anything meaningful on healthcare. You can't pass ANYTHING good using reconciliation, only change budgetary ways to pay for (cut to fucking ribbons) things. They just want to make cuts. Block granting Medicaid is a cut. And yes that kills people. It's not hyperbole. Ya'll love when Orange the Hutt uses executive orders to do shit but were PISSED at Obama and gave CRICKETS to Bush..
If you need $60, you can make it the hard way. If your psoriasis is so bad you care to. It's not like we're not paying enough in taxes. If you want to pay for health care for those who can't afford the $60, cut spending somewhere else. You can start by cutting the "tea and circuses" budgets.
Go make $60, find a doctor who'll do the work pro bono, go to a public hospital or clinic, or go to an urgent care clinic. 77% of doctors do pro bono work. You're making noise about nothing. If you can't afford $60, you need a fucking roof over your head and food more than you need your psoriasis taken care of. Medicaid "had no significant effect" on health outcomes vs. being uninsured So yeah, you're fucked if you can't afford $60.
I wouldn't call it getting care. There is not much care in the "services" they give poor people without insurance. They do what little they must and tell them to leave even if they should be admitted. Poor people who make very little and all or most of their money goes to pay rent and electricity and for other basic needs. There is nothing left to pay for insurance. Thats why so many are on welfare getting foodstamps and OHP. They can't even afford food. Mimimum wage is shit. There needs to be a living wage. Minimum wage is always too far below inflation for poor people to be able to move up in society. To be able to afford things like health insurance. The American Dream is a lie. I love my country. I don't love how its people are treated. I know there are far less fortunate people in the world. Far worse countries where people starve and live in the worst conditions imaginable. I also know the US is the richest country in the world and we could take care of all of our people if we wanted too, but our society is about the rich staying rich and the poor staying poor. There has to be poor people for there to be rich people.
There are no bleeding heart doctors. There has to be poor people for there to be rich people? That makes zero sense. Though I think our poor would be rich in many other countries - it's relative, no? Some people really should consider joining the army if they can't otherwise provide for themselves. The truly needy cannot possibly be so costly it takes a $2T/year program to provide for them. And surely with $21,903 PER PERSON in government spending, they can take care of the people who need the help. I think you need to look at all the social programs and government agencies and prioritize the spending so people get taken care of instead of insurance companies getting payments from the government. Why do we need both: National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health and Occupational Safety and Health Administration ?
That's a question google could easily answer for you, if you don't already know. NIOSH is a research body. OSHA is regulatory. Sure, you could combine them, but they serve different functions so the savings would be negligible. barfo
Countries that have Single Payer healthcare pay about $3300 per person. Currently we pay 250% of that. Figure this shit out Denny.
And Obama increased that amount and gave government money to the insurance companies. Surely you don’t want the government writing actual checks to corporations, Mr. Sanders supporter?
