Politics Trump claims previous presidents didn't call families of fallen soldiers

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  1. barfo

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    Yes - the parts of Kelly's speech dealing with military deaths generally was terrific. But he ruined it by telling a bunch of stupid lies about the current specific issue.

    Did he think there wasn't videotape?

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    It's fine for you to misquote and mischaracterize what he said.

    He's the only grownup in that room that day.
     
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    http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/20/politics/frederica-wilson-john-kelly-video/index.html

    While Wilson took credit in her speech at the dedication ceremony for shepherding legislation naming the FBI building after two FBI agents who were killed in a 1986 gunfight, she did not claim credit for helping to fund the building, according to the video.


    Sue him if he got a little detail wrong. He called her a grandstander and that's what she did.
     
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    I quoted from the transcript of what he said. If you think it's wrong, point out specifically where. Warning, there is videotape of that too, though.

    Otherwise, you are just blowing hot air.

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    Maybe he thought it doesn't matter. As Denny demonstrates daily, we live in two realities now and he was just speaking to the Trumpies and telling them "don't worry, you can be pro-military and pro-Trump". Because this issue is otherwise REALLY dangerous for Trump as a big part of his base thinks it's super pro-troops so it doesn't look good if Trump BLATANTLY doesn't give a shit. It almost sounds like there were two parts to the speech: the part written by Kelly and then stuff that Trump insisted he say word for word.

    But maybe that's giving Kelly too much credit.
     
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    He got all the details wrong, along with the general concept. Either his memory is no good, or he's a liar. Take your pick.

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    You're so wrong in all of this.

    He's no liar. It has nothing to do with his memory.

    Can you think of any other possibilities, or is your logic simply binary (as you typically demonstrate it is)?
     
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    Let's see... someone faked the videotape of a building dedication speech years ago in order to make Kelly look bad? Is that what you are going for?

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    Apparently being a 4-Star general gives you carte blanche to say whatever you want without being questioned. Good to know.
     
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    Of course all of this handily takes the focus off WHAT THOSE SOLDIERS WERE DOING THERE and why it was that one of them was left behind while still alive, and when they found his body later he had to have a closed-casket funeral. There's some suggestion that it had something to do with Chad being added to the Muslim Ban list of countries. That would be nice to talk about, maybe.
     
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    I'm not really following along here but didn't he call her an empty barrel?
    Never really heard that term before but it has to be racist.
     
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    Black person says something, white person says something.

    Black person wrong, white person victim.

    Proof black person isn't isn't wrong, white person still a victim.

    Seems like we're seeing a pattern here.
     
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    I don't think it's racist, and I don't think she should have claimed it was. I think there might be racism involved in the overall situation, but that term itself is not racist.

    Although I suppose barrels are more likely to be black than white, that would be true of full barrels as well as empty.

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    She claimed it was? Really?

    Maybe it means she smells of bourbon.

    Funny I haven't more than a passing interest in this and guessed the race card was coming out.
     
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    I feel like the South Park character that could tell ads from news. Which one was that, Jimmy?
     
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    Hmm, Mille Bourne, if I remember the name correctly. [Edit: I didn't. Mille Bornes.] I remember playing that at a friends house, it must have been 1970 or 1971. I liked the game. Haven't seen it since.

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