Politics The FBI’s Political Meddling

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  1. barfo

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    First indictments reportedly handed down.

    Happy now?

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    naw....better to just draft talent at the executive level....we've failed repeatedly to do this......and we're all to blame
     
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    Panic filing, in the face of demands for his resignation due to personal involvement in the Uranium One coverup and possible FBI attempts to influence the election.
     
  4. Denny Crane

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    The told Manafort they were going to indict him.

    The only surprise would be if it's not him.
     
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    https://www.judicialwatch.org/bulletins/draft-indictment-hillary-rodham-clinton/

    Long before Benghazi, long before emails and clever Clinton Foundation shakedowns, there was Whitewater. The Clintons—abetted by the slack intellectual standards of American media—have succeeded in putting over the argument that Whitewater “was about nothing.” The Judicial Watch case proves otherwise.

    For more than two years, Judicial Watch has been fighting to make public draft federal criminal indictments of Mrs. Clinton in the Whitewater affair. The allegations are well known to aficionados of financial crime: with Gov. Bill Clinton running Arkansas, Mrs. Clinton leveraged her work at the Rose Law Firm into a series of transactions on behalf of a corrupt financial institution, Madison Guaranty Savings & Loan, run by a longtime Clinton crony, James McDougal. Among the transactions was a document drafted by Mrs. Clinton to conceal a series of fraudulent loans that were used to deceive federal bank examiners. Winning the White House, Mrs. Clinton and her allies engaged in a long-running cover-up.

    Between 1996 and 1998, the Office of Independent Counsel drew up a series of draft indictments of Mrs. Clinton. In the end, overwhelmed by the Lewinsky perjury case and stymied by Clinton stonewalls, prosecutors decided not to bring charges against Mrs. Clinton. But the evidence against the First Lady was significant. And the case sheds light as well on the mystery of why Mrs. Clinton is such a polarizing figure: Whitewater presents significant evidence that she was a crook, and got away with it.
     
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    Too funny. "Oh, Bill lied about getting a blowjob! We must drop everything else! Besides, she won't confess, so we have no case!"

    But I'm glad you agree that long-ago crimes should be prosecuted. That understanding should come in handy, perhaps as soon as Monday.

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    Reading is fun-damental.

    Crimes have varying statutes of limitations.
     
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    Yes, and? Not sure I see that you have a point here.

    But I agree that crimes have varying statutes of limitations. As a factoid, that's certainly a good one.

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  9. Denny Crane

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    You don't seem to comprehend what Judicial Watch wrote.
     
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    Ok, since you can't explain your point, or don't have one, we'll have to leave it there.

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    That there were other things to pursue indictments.

    In fact, Judicial Watch is seeking draft indictments unrelated to Lewinski.
     
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    BTW, Starr achieved 14 indictments and convicted, and/or guilty pleas in his investigations.
     
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    And yet none of them were Hillary. SAD!

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    Where there’s smoke, right?

    Her law partner and 2nd at the DoJ was sent to prison.

    The stonewalling mentioned was the disappearance of her Rose Law Firm billing records, that magically appeared in a room in the White House long after they were subpoenaed.

    SAD that you would defend her. She’s a career criminal.
     
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    A special prosecutor spent seven years investigating her and brought no charges. Numerous congressional committees have investigated her and brought no charges. The FBI has investigated her and brought no charges.

    Maybe she corrupted all of those investigations, since she's such a criminal mastermind.

    Or maybe there were no charges to bring.

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  16. Denny Crane

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    Nothing? Starr brought 14 indictments that resulted in convictions, and was working on drafting indictment for your heroine. Those included her closest business partner and the governor that followed Clinton in Arkansas. It wasn't new corruption in Arkansas, just new faces.

    In addition to those 14, there were 47 indictments of friends and partners of the Clintons, 33 of those during his administration proper. To put that in perspective, if Manafort and Flynn are indicted, that makes TWO during the Trump administration (so far).

    She's a career criminal. There's good reason that scandals arise around her and her gang.

    If she's as smart as you seem to think she is, it's impossible she wasn't aware of (at least) all the criminality going down. The TravelGate scandal alone is well documented abuse of power.
     
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    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/caught-in-the-whitewater-net/

    Whitewater prosecutors cast such a wide net in Arkansas that they yielded a good-sized catch, even though the big fish seem to have gotten away.
    The prime quarry of investigators, who started work in 1994, were President Clinton and his wife, Hillary Rodham Clinton. Mr. Clinton was cleared of any wrongdoing by special prosecutor Kenneth Starr in November and Mrs. Clinton has not been charged.

    Nevertheless, the investigation resulted in 14 convictions and two acquittals. The last six indictments, handed down in April, were dismissed by a judge in July.

    Caught in the Whitewater net were:

    • Webster Hubbell. A Clinton friend from Arkansas and former law partner of Mrs. Clinton, Hubbell held the number three job in the Justice Department when the Whitewater probe began. He pleaded guilty on Dec. 6, 1994, to mail fraud and tax evasion and admitted stealing almost $400,000 from his clients and partners in Little Rock's Rose Law Firm. He was sentenced to 21 months in jail in a plea-bargain deal in which he agreed to cooperate with investigators. He has reportedly provided prosecutors with little information, while at the same time working at a variety of jobs obtained for him by friends of Mr. Clinton. This has led to accusations that Hubbell's silence was bought and to new indictments, announced April 30, accusing Hubell, his wife, his lawyer and his tax accountant of tax evasion. These have been dismisssed. But Hubbell was arraigned Nov. 23 on a third set of charges filed by Starr.
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      James McDougal
    • James McDougal. A Clinton friend and Whitewater business partner, McDougal operated Madison Guaranty Savings and Loan. He was convicted in May 1996 of 18 felony counts related to bad loans made by Madison, which failed in the late 1980s at a considerable cost to taxpayers. McDougal agreed to cooperate with prosecutors against Mr. Clinton, but not until after his conviction. He died in prison in March.
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      Susan McDougal
    • Susan McDougal. With her former husband, James, Mrs. McDougal was a partner in the Whitewater land deal and in Madison Guaranty. She was convicted in 1996 of four felony fraud counts. She now is serving a two-year sentence. Unlike her ex-husband, she refused to cooperate with the Whitewater prosecutors and was senteced to 18 months in jail on a civil contempt charge. She completed that jail term earlier this year, but still has refused to answer questions before a grand jury. On May 4, she was charged with criminal contempt and obstruction of justice.
    • Larry Kuca. A business associate of the McDougals, he pleaded guilty to misdemeanor charges in connection with a federally backed loan. He was sentenced to probation and community service.
    • Robert Palmer. A land appraiser in Little Rock, Palmer was accused of filing false papers in connection with Madison Guaranty. He was sentenced to probation in 1994.
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      Jim Guy Tucker
    • Governor Jim Guy Tucker President Clinton's successor as Arkansas governor, Tucker resigned after his conviction in May 1996 on mail fraud and conspiracy charges. He was sentenced to probation. Facing separate conspiracy and income-tax evasion charges in connection with a sham bankruptcy and cable-television system sale, Tucker pleaded guilty and agreed to cooperate with investigators.
    • William Marks Former business partner of Tucker, Marks was charged in 1997 in connection with the sham bankruptcy with which he and Tucker allegedly tried to hide profits and avoid income tax on the sale of a cable television station. He agreed to cooperate with investigators. In return, several charges against him were dropped.
    • John Haley A lawyer for Tucker, Haley was accused with Marks and Tucker in the bankruptcy and cable TV station transactions. He pleaded guilty in February to a misdemeanor charge of failing to provide correct information to the government
    • Eugene Fitzhugh. A lawyer and businessman, Fitzhugh was one of the first to be accused in 1994. He pleaded guilty to trying to bribe Hale. In exchanged for his plea, he was sentenced to 28 months, and prosecutors dropped charges accusing him of conspiring to defraud the Small Business Administration.

    • Charles Matthews. An Arknsas businessman and colleague of Fitzhugh, Mathews was accused with Fitzhugh of trying to defraud the Small Business Administration. He pleaded guilty instead to misdemeanor bribery charges and was sentenced to 16 months.
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      David Hale
    • David Hale. A former municipal judge and businessman in Little Rock, Hale was the star witness in independent counsel Ken Starr's first Whitewater trial. He served a jail term for conspiring to defraud the SBA. With his guilty plea, he agreed to cooperate with investigators. He testified against the McDougals and has told prosecutors Mr. Clinton pressured him into making a suspect loa to Susan McDougal. Hale's testimony has come under question with reports that he obtained cash from a conservative group with ties to special Whitewater prosecutor Starr. Hale trial this summer on state charges was delayed by illness.
    • Stephen Smith. A former Clinton aide, Smith pleaded guilty in 1995 to lying about a federally backed loan he obtained from Hale.
    • Christopher Wade. An Arkansas businessman and real estate agent, Wade pleaded guilty to bankruptcy fraud in 1995.
    • Neal Ainley. An Arkansas banker, Ainley pleaded guilty in 1995 to concealing cash payments to Mr. Clinton's campaign.
     
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    I guess you are trying to make the case that if whoever is indicted tomorrow is an associate of Trump's, then Trump himself must be a criminal?

    Seems like an odd approach for a Trump loyalist like yourself.

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