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Wishful thinking and nothing more.

I'm surprised you buy into the actual witch hunt and conspiracy theories. OK, maybe I'm not surprised.

 

I'm not defending HIM.

I just don't spew a bunch of hateful rhetoric about him.

He is innocent until proven guilty. That's how it works in America.

 

Exactly.

The difference is one robbed the public for decades as a public servant and got away with it, and the other did not.

There actually was an illegal mail server in Hillary's case, for example. There are laws and specific statutes she violated in doing so. She repeatedly lied about it, changing her story as the facts refuted her earlier explanations.

"Trump is guilty" of what? Show me the equivalent of the email server or fired travel office workers (who were smeared through abuse of office). And cite the statutes and penalties for these supposed crimes.

I'm 100% open to actual evidence.

 

You are correct about the court of public opinion. But we don't allow lynchings based upon public opinion.

 

I don't have a high opinion of the man (Trump).

He's sleazy at best.

He's not been a dishonest and corrupt politician all his life. He has that going for him.

 

Manafort, papadopoulos, and Gates are on trial. Flynn and his son right behind them. Soon will come Kushner and Jr. One by one this swamp is being drained. And you can bet they are going to flip like pancakes. So, listen up Trumphuggers, President Pussygrabber is going down.

 

The known indictment of Clinton wasn't pursued because the prosecutors determined they could not get a fair trial due to Clinton's office and fame. Seems like royalty to me.

I have actual reason to hate the woman. It's personal.

In spite of your complaints about my reasoning, you haven't refuted that she has committed crimes, the evidence is concrete and irrefutable (e.g. she fired travel office workers, she did order an illegal email server for her personal use). Again, there are actual criminal statutes she violated that can be named. I use only two of many examples, starting with her public life in the federal realm to the current time.

Good luck with pinning anything on Trump at this point. You have none of that. No criminal statute, no evidence of any direct involvement in any crime.

You say you can convict someone in the court of public opinion? Some peoples' burden of proof are non-existent. I'm not talking of my burden of proof.

 

She used her private email server. Other secretaries of state used theirs before her. I don't see them being charged. There was no rule prior to this incident that said they couldn't. It was stupid of her to use her own server but certainly not illegal. She was investigated. No criminal act found. Cased closed. Move on.

Trump and his administration are being investigated. If they are found guilty then good.

 

I want to again point out two things.

First, Manafort and Flynn and the others are charged with "crimes" that have nothing to do with Mueller's mandate (collusion with Russia). They were both fired by Trump after short periods of time. That's not encouraging any actions on their part.

Second, Papadopoulos was allegedly seeking Hillary's emails. You know, from the illegal server she ran. As far as we know, that server was never hacked. None of her emails were made public through any means other than FOIA - and even then, she destroyed half of the emails on her server, bit bleached the server's hard drive to erase any trace of the emails so they could not be recovered, smashed mobile devices that may have had the emails on them with hammers, etc. Clearly she had nothing to hide. The FBI did recover some of them and they proved she deleted emails of interest to federal investigators (destruction of evidence is a crime).

A third thing to point out is that Flynn may be indicted, but hasn't yet. I agree it's likely, but it's no 100% sure thing. Trump Jr. or Kushner? I see nothing they did that is a crime. Nothing reported, in the public record. Feel free to point out any statutes you think they can be charged with. Remember how Clinton got off - couldn't prove "intent." Factor that into your reasoning if you can.

 

You cannot spin her crime away. The other secretaries of state should be in equal trouble if they violated the laws.

Clinton's situation was different, though. Again, you cannot spin this away. She exclusively used a private server, after rules were put in place to disallow it, was told not to, and her lying explanations changed over time as her lies were revealed.

 

It's quite obviously personal. That doesn't mean it's grounded in any sort of reality.

Maybe you should tell us what horrible thing Hillary did to you at this funeral?

Was it a funeral for one of her many murder victims? Did she tell you you were next on her list?

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She did something horrible to the person whose funeral it was. Her history is littered with doing horrible things to people, though. See Billy Dale for one.