Olshey podcast

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  1. blue9

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    Not necessarily, because that bad contract can bite our future's ass if we're above a certain salary threshold for a certain number of years. But I think attaching an asset to move a bad contract will only be done as a last-ditch effort as the clock is ticking down.
     
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    I just Wonder how Portland pay Nurkic and Then resign vonleh or connaughton when the Blazers have 112 Million in guaranteed money without these players when free agency is starting
     
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    Through the rules of Restricted Free Agency. We will retain them - no question about that.
     
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    Yeah they are restricted so if Noah and Pat contuine to play on that Level, i also think Olshey want to resign them. But look the cap without Nurk, Noah and pat is 112 Million. So add 18-20 Million from Nurk that's 130 Million and Then also Noah and pat, we would probably be around 140. That's even more than the Warriors if we Don't move Harkless, Meyers or Turner. That's a crazy payroll for a non Contender
     
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    he said he liked some pass Collins made, without watching or whatever... that was the moment he knew Collins is the truth
     
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    dviss1 Emcee Referee

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    You can go over the cap to sign your own players. I'm also not sure we're gonna pay Vonleh.
     
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    we need to find the way to keep Vonleh, if not, we better play Collins there, I dont want to watch Chief
    Vonleh and Collins have talent and upside, Chief is finished product
     
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    "Guaranteed contracts are da devil!"
     
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    1. MAKE TURNER'S CONTRACT DISAPPEAR
    2 MAKE MO'S CONTRACT DISAPPEAR
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    I don't think Vonleh will cost too much. I suspect we won't re-sign Davis, and will pay Vonleh a couple mil more than we're paying Davis. If Vonleh gets anything north of $12M then I agree we'll let him walk - but I'm thinking we'll give him around $9M.

    Bottom line is, we're going to be spending WAY too much money on a mediocre roster, but we can't afford to let talent walk. Not signing Nurk/Vonleh/Pat doesn't improve our financial situation any. It might reduce the tax bill, but it doesn't get us to a point where we can sign free agents (as if we can sign free agents - ha!). And that's 3 rotations players we'd have to somehow replace with MLE-or-less players. That's a real good way to alienate Dame and CJ. So, with the richest owner in sports, we CAN afford to pay taxes, but we CAN'T afford to let talent walk.

    Long story short: in for a penny, in for a pound.
     
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    That there is literally nothing they can do to beat the Warriors in the playoffs right now. Wait it out and hope they begin to decline. Contrary to what Kingspeed believes, Portland is not in the same universe as Golden St
     
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    Olshey isn’t gonna let Vonleh walk now that they’ve developed him, that’s wild.

    The obvious trade candidates are Davis, Harkless, and Napier. The way Davis and Napier are playing, we can probably trade them without taking salary back. Harkless is still young and has shown enough to justify his contract, and other GMs could just be thinking he needs a change of scenery. The problem is there aren’t many teams with cap space to take on Davis. The pacers look like a fit for Napier and they have the space to take on his contract. I could see Chicago interested in Harkless and they have the cap space to absorb his contract. Harkless and Davis/Leonard for Mirotic or Lopez?

    If we can package Harkless with either Davis or Leonard while saving 4-5m, and also dump Napier, I believe we’d get under the tax.

    Baldwin and Wilcox could both be roster replacements if we need to replace numbers lost.
     
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    I'm not gonna go off, but it triggered me
     
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    What some of us have been saying and getting called trolls for. We have no chance at a title this year

    So Olshey is a troll?
     
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    I still think Collins will be good. My gripe about Olshey is how horrendous he's been in the FA market. All the guys he's targeted, to a man, ended up being big disappointments to the teams that acquired them, Hibbert, Hawes, Monroe, Kanter, now Parsons. And of course, he's massively over-paid to keep talent that isn't contributing much.

    His saving grace has been his drafting.
     
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    That we must be sly like a fox( or is it a poker dog?) and wait for the right moment to strike instead of a bear mauling and destroying most of the league only to be demolished by the Godzilla that is Golden State in the playoffs.
     
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    Man.... All this talk about trading Davis... Is Biggie supposed to come in and be the next Davis? Who's our backup C in this scenario?

    I love Big Ed and think we should keep him. He does ALL of the dirty work.. Who's gonna do it when he's gone? So many questions...
     
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    You're going a little low on the wishes here. I mean they're wishes.

    1. LBJ is traded to Portland.
    Yeah I don't need anymore wishes.
     
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    The only way Davis stays in Portland beyond this season is if Olshey dumps Meyers' entire contract, or decides that he'd rather have Davis than Vonleh. Both unlikely scenarios. So we either keep him and let his contract expire, or we get something for him and use his contract to get under the tax.

    We have something like $110m in contracts next season, and that's not including all our pending RFAs (this number may include their cap holds though.) Nurk and Vonleh alone would add somewhere around $30m to that total.

    As for his immediate replacement, big picture wise, is almost irrelevant. Losing Davis isn't going to be the difference between a championship.
     
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    Given our salary situation I'd rather just let Ed walk, or trade him for future picks. Can't trade Ed and take back salary at this point.
     

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