<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Nitro1118 @ Apr 2 2007, 07:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>This all doesn't make sense with the quote you used, so I'll try and respond. Last year Ricky Davis and Wally both scored around 20PPG with Pierce, I am sure Durant can do the same if he gets enough touches. I brought up T-Mac because you said Durant would be pounded by other team's SF, yet when T-Mac was skinny he did just fine and was not pushed around or anything. PS- I NEVER brought up T-Mac as a rookie. I brought up him early in his ORLANDO career.</div> I used the wrong quote, my bad. You said that Wally was not effective as the number two option while he was averaging around 20 a game with Boston and you claimed that this is why they need a second option. In his rookie year I can only see Durant matching what Wally did. Also in T-mac's years in Orlando he was taking more perimeter shots than he does now. I wasn't talking specifically to you Nitro, there are people who commonly say that he resembles T-mac in his first year in the NBA.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GArenas @ Apr 2 2007, 06:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I used the wrong quote, my bad. You said that Wally was not effective as the number two option while he was averaging around 20 a game with Boston and you claimed that this is why they need a second option. In his rookie year I can only see Durant matching what Wally did. Also in T-mac's years in Orlando he was taking more perimeter shots than he does now. I wasn't talking specifically to you Nitro, there are people who commonly say that he resembles T-mac in his first year in the NBA.</div>He wasn't effective because nearly all of his offense was on spot up shooting. When Pierce was out, no one could really carry the load. Davis did a pretty good job with this, but he was inconsistent and ineffificient. Durant can create his own offense and can take defensive pressure off of Pierce. T-Mac takes WAY more perimeter shots now than he did in Orlando.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Nitro1118 @ Apr 2 2007, 07:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>He wasn't effective because nearly all of his offense was on spot up shooting. When Pierce was out, no one could really carry the load. Davis did a pretty good job with this, but he was inconsistent and ineffificient. Durant can create his own offense and can take defensive pressure off of Pierce. T-Mac takes WAY more perimeter shots now than he did in Orlando.</div> T-mac does not take as many. From three point land in Orlando in his last three years (I'll only do three of the years since he's only been in Houston three years) he took 1244 shots. In Houston over three years he has taken 1026 three point shots. Not a huge difference but he's taking less. Also about Sczerbiack, alot of second options in the NBA aren't very versatile scorers. This debate has turned from who will make a bigger impact, Oden or Durant to how many three's T-mac took. I stand by what I said, both will make huge differences, Durant could make a little bit more when he enter's the league and Oden will still make a huge impact as a defensive post-prescence for the Grizz and over-time will have the better career. But with Durant joining the Celtics, Boston will need to make moves to fit Durant into the lineup with their stackup of swingmen. While Durant would fit into Memphis pretty well.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GArenas @ Apr 2 2007, 07:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>T-mac does not take as many. From three point land in Orlando in his last three years (I'll only do three of the years since he's only been in Houston three years) he took 1244 shots. In Houston over three years he has taken 1026 three point shots. Not a huge difference but he's taking less. Also about Sczerbiack, alot of second options in the NBA aren't very versatile scorers.This debate has turned from who will make a bigger impact, Oden or Durant to how many three's T-mac took. I stand by what I said, both will make huge differences, Durant could make a little bit more when he enter's the league and Oden will still make a huge impact as a defensive post-prescence for the Grizz and over-time will have the better career. But with Durant joining the Celtics, Boston will need to make moves to fit Durant into the lineup with their stackup of swingmen. While Durant would fit into Memphis pretty well.</div>He missed 4 games in his 1st year in Houston, 35 in his 2nd year, and over 10 this year, so those stats aren't useful. Not to mention he hasn't taken as many attempts per game as he did in orlando, and it doesn't show that most of his attempts inside the arc now are from 15ft and out, whereas in orlando he took more shots at rim.This whole debate is about who will initially be better. If you asked me who will be better in the long run, then my answer might be different. But next year, I believe Durant will be the better player and make the bigger impact.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Nitro1118 @ Apr 2 2007, 08:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>But next year, I believe Durant will be the better player and make the bigger impact.</div> I'm not so sure about that, though. Durant will get more attention, Durant will be more of a fan favorite, and Durant will definitely put up better numbers... but Oden's IMPACT could be greater. No question about it, really. His defense, the shot blocking, the size, the intimidation factor, and the rebounding is MUCH more valuable to a team than perimeter scoring and athleticism. I'm not taking anything away from Durant, he's going to be an unbelievable player without question, but when talking about IMPACT - I have to go with Oden.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CelticBalla32 @ Apr 2 2007, 07:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I'm not so sure about that, though. Durant will get more attention, Durant will be more of a fan favorite, and Durant will definitely put up better numbers... but Oden's IMPACT could be greater. No question about it, really. His defense, the shot blocking, the size, the intimidation factor, and the rebounding is MUCH more valuable to a team than perimeter scoring and athleticism. I'm not taking anything away from Durant, he's going to be an unbelievable player without question, but when talking about IMPACT - I have to go with Oden.</div>When I think of impact, I think of how can this player turn his team around. I think Durant being the 2nd option for Pierce will be huge, and will instantly make Boston a playoff team. It will take Oden a while to adjust to the NBA, and I am sure for he will get into lots of foul trouble in the first few months of the seasons. I don't think oden will immediately be Ben Wallace, and since he won't be very dominant offensively, I just see Durant being the better and more impactful of the 2 right away.
I definitely think that Durant will put up better numbers in the pros, probably get more 1st team All NBA's, but I dont know who will end up with more rings. Although Durant IMO is much more talented, and is capable of so much, defensive minded centers in the league are very valuable....I am going to go with my gut instinct and say Durant. I have seen everything out of this guy, and he is still so young, still has so much potential, and still hasnt grown in to his body. He is going to be close to dominant the first game he steps out on that floor...You watch.
