Trade Deadline Predictions

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  1. BonesJones

    BonesJones https://www.youtube.com/c/blazersuprise

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    Hell no to Jabari Parker. We can't pay him $20M. His production before his injury might be been worth it but his production after plus his injury concerns aren't worth it. We'd be much more fucked than we already are.
     
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    If Jabari was going to get 20m a year I’d say hell no too, but with his injury history I highly doubt he does. If all goes well he could have the next “curry contract” where in 3 years you’re wondering how the hell a player of his caliber is getting paid what he is.

    You would make the trade only after putting feelers out for what type of market he would have this offseason. So if the move is made I’m sure that will have happened.

    Edit: In comparison that’s pretty much what Ibaka got last offseason, there’s no way Parker gets Ibaka money.
     
  3. BonesJones

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    If Brooklyn is willing to take Allen Crabbe for $18M a year, they're more than willing to give Jabari Parker $20M
     
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    Why? Was Crabbe as injured as Parker?
     
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    A team looking to build off of young talent and build through the draft isn’t going to want to tie down 20m a yr on a player with an injury history like Parker. I also don’t think you’ll see teams, even Brooklyn, spending so recklessly for a good while.
     
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  6. Scalma

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    Do I think Plumlee is better than Davis? Yes. That’s why he was starting over him. And that was a special case anyway. Denver had a surplus of picks. They also knew they’d control Plumlee’s long term future. No team has that certainty with Davis, no matter how “loyal,” or whatever assumption you made, is.

    “Wanna talk about Crabbe”

    Is that supposed to be some sort of dig? I’m still waiting on someone replacing his production. Y’all said it would be easy. Well, season is almost half way through and the only thing I can say is the team was better with Crabbe.

    And I’ll be sure to bump this expose of yours after we see the return on Ed.

    Better yet, let’s actually make this worth our time. Put money where your mouth is and bet that we’ll get a first for Davis if he gets traded (solo)
     
  7. Scalma

    Scalma Well-Known Member

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    What is his production after his injury? He hasn’t even played yet.

    And if someone is paying Jabari $20m, something went really well this year. And I’d much rather pay that Jabari $20m than Carmelo near $30m.
     
  8. Boob-No-More

    Boob-No-More Why you no hire big man coach?

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    No, the team was not better last year with Crabbe.

    This year after 39 games: 21-18 = .538

    Last year after 39 games: 16-39 = .410

    Last year after 81 games: 41-41= .500

    At no point last year was our record better than it is now, and the only reason we finished at .500 was Nurk was an absolute beast in the 20 games he played for POR last year - much better than he's been in the first 39 games this year.

    Crabbe's production has been more than replaced, not by some new acquisition, but from within. Crabbe's minutes have been divided between Napier and Connaughton. They have replaced his scoring and both are better defenders, who are also better rebounders and better at creating for themselves and others.

    BNM
     
  9. Scalma

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    Oh God it’s Allen’s ex. Having a better record at this point compared to last year isn’t indicative of anything, but you know that so stop being dishonest and actually come with something worthwhile. The offense isn’t as good as it was last year. Teams are daring guys like Turner to shoot. Lately hes shot better so the offense has flowed. Nurk was better last year because Crabbe would be in the corner instead of Evan or Moe or whoever it is this year. Teams couldn’t slide under him. It’s not a coincidence. The few times Pat has a good game the offense flows. So you can bang your head against the wall and try to convince everyone that the team doesn’t miss him, but I’ll stick with reality.
     
  10. Boob-No-More

    Boob-No-More Why you no hire big man coach?

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    Talk about being dishonest, you completely ignored half of the game, the half Crabbe really and truly sucks at - defense. Last year, we were one of the worst defensive teams in the league and Crabbe was the worst defender in our rotation.

    You want to give Crabbe credit for how good our offense was last year, then you also need to give him blame for how bad the defense was.

    The guy is, was, and will always be a one-dimensional streaky shooter who can't create for himself or others. He is a disinterested lackadaisical defender and a defensive liability. His play in POR proved it and his play in BRK further proves it. What more evidence do you need?

    I will gladly give Crabbe's minutes to Napier and Connaughton. Gladly.

    You also ignored that our final record last year, even with the Nurk honeymoon was .500. We are currently at .538 and Stott's teams have historically played better in the second half of the season.

    As far as missing Crabbe's spacing, Al-Farouq Aminu is shooting a higher 3FG% than Crabbe this year and he's making more 3-pointers this year than Crabbe did last year. Aminu has made at least five 3-pointers in a game five times this season, and that;'s in just 26 games played. Crabbe has only done it twice this year (in 36 games played) and only did it four times all of last season (in 79 games played).

    That's the thing with Stott's system (and playing next to Damian Lillard and C.J. McCollum) - everyone else will get plenty of wide open looks. Crabbe benefited from that while he was in POR, but this year in BRK he has truly been exposed as someone who cannot create his own shot. Team's play up tighter on him and he can't go around the defense and make them pay. His 3FG% is actually below league average without the benefit of defenses keying on Dame and C.J.

    BNM
     
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    That looks more like a wish than a prediction. :)
     
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    Regarding Allen’s defense; if he was as awful as you paint him, explain why Stotts often times would put him on the opposing teams best player. I don’t see Pat getting those matchups late in games. Crabbe was inconsistent yes, but so was everyone else. Who’s to say he wouldn’t have followed Dames lead this season and bought in completely on that end? That’s how he got on the court in Portland to begin with; defense.


    “Streaky shooter.” If you average 44% you’re still going to miss more than half the shots you take. I know how averages work. You could look at Klays game log and find multiple games where he’ll make 2 or 3 on 10+ attempts. Its like that with everyone. But teams still had to respect Crabbe at all times. I don’t see any of the “replacements” getting that treatment this season. So when you bring up Aminu, once again, dishonest. No one is afraid of him, so until there’s an adjustment as to how teams defend him, it doesn’t matter.
     
  13. Chris Craig

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    Cause they'd also gain Harkless who would go all out for his home town
     
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    Chris Craig (Blazersland) I'm Your Huckleberry Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator

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    Blazers make a move before the deadline. They are stacked at the 4 and 5 and will make a move(s) to balance the roster, cut salary to get the Blazers below the cap, and bolster assests. Olshey is a fan of scooping up young unappreciated players and draft picks.


    Napier, Harkless, Turner, Leonard, and Davis are on the block

    Olshey will probably try to dupe Orlando for Hezonja. Try to get Mirotic and a pick. Pick up cheap productive vets like Tyreke Evans. Etc.
     
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    If you think Allen Crabbe is a better defender than Pat Connaghton... bro... Are you watching games??

    Every single bit of Allen Crabbe's production has been replaced and we're a MUCH better defensive team without him. Plus, we're winning more games.

    We are NOT better with Allen Crabbe's lackadaisical Defense and HUGE check that he never earned. Addition by subtraction.
     
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  16. Chris Craig

    Chris Craig (Blazersland) I'm Your Huckleberry Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator

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    Yeah I am glad he is gone. I was a tiny tiny bit worried he'd turn into an all star on the nets, but he is the same lazy ass player. It sucks we have a stretched contract in his place that we will have to pay on for the next few years, but it was worth getting rid of him. Olshey fucked up paying him all that money.
     
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  17. Boob-No-More

    Boob-No-More Why you no hire big man coach?

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    Jesus, really? Crabbe was/is a HORRIBLE defender. He was never put on the other team's best player. That was always Amuni and Harkless (when he still cared). Both Connaughton and Napier are much better defenders. Mostly because they actually try to play defense. Crabbe never put in any effort on the defensive end. He constantly stood straight up and let his man drive right around him. We would not be one of the top defenses in the league if we still had Allen Crabbe playing 28.5 MPG.

    Pat Connaughton has the exact same PER as Crabbe (10.7), a higher TS% (.596 vs. .536) and makes 1/13th as much. Shabazz Napier has a much higher PER (18.3 vs. 10.7) and also has a higher TS% (.595 vs. .536), is a much better passer and an infinitely better defender, despite his smaller size. Connaughton and Napier have absorbed Crabbe's minutes and more than replaced his offensive production. And, they actually play defense.

    So, if Crabbe is all that and a bag of chips, why has he fallen on his face in BRK? He finally got his chance to start (after both Lin and Russell were injured) and has been exposed for what he's always been. He's not even shooting the 3 that well anymore (below league average) now that he can't stand at the 3-point line and wait for Dame and C.J. to collapse the defense and kick it out to him for the wide open 3.

    So, where is this breakout season, you and others were predicting for Crabbe?

    BNM
     
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    Here we go

     
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  19. Chris Craig

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    Do it Olshey throw bulls a 1st
     
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    I am all for trading for Mirotic, but not for the 1st round draft pick. He plays the same position as Collins and Swanigan and Noah and Aminu. We need to hold on to the draft pick and hope to get a SF.

    Swanigan is a 1st rounder.....just from last year. Include him.
     
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