Politics Apple to hire 20,000, open second headquarters and pay $38 billion tax bill on overseas profits

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  1. donkiez

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    Software piracy and IP is bigger than all of those and this was a big part of what TPP tried to accomplish, but we were all against that for other reasons.
     
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    https://www.bls.gov/opub/ted/2015/u...rivate-industry-and-public-sector-in-2014.htm

    Less than 10% of manufacturing jobs were union jobs in 2014.

    At the end of the day, the important thing to realize is that labor intensive jobs where good wages are being paid only make sense where these jobs are not to perform commodity type job without a special skill.

    As long as people in the US are not willing to compete based on wages compared to 3rd world countries - there is really no real advantage to the US market in most manufacturing jobs that do not require special skills - this means that they need to be propped by artificial government subsidies (tariffs).
     
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    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ly-well-not-anymore-e/?utm_term=.27fca682be28

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    This is factory employment since 1977, for non-union workers and for workers in or covered by a union. Non-union employment grew, fell and is growing again post-recession (as I document in the Post today.) The net result is that there are about as many non-union factory workers today as there were in 1977. Meanwhile, about 80 percent of union factory jobs have disappeared.

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    And as I pointed out, the reason manufacturing jobs are decimated - is because they do not make sense when there is no longer a market driven reason to have them here - we no longer live in a world where there is an advantage for many manufactured goods to originate locally - when you can get them cheaper and just as well made from elsewhere because the labor-intensive portion of the manufacture is so much cheaper.

    We have seen that in industries where it makes sense (like agricultural items where their shelf life is short and proximity to market is important) - the jobs are still there.

    This comes back to the point I am making - the only way to keep these jobs given the requirement of high wages - is by artificial means.
     
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    Make America Great Again. Get it?

    Bring back manufacturing and become a dominant player AGAIN. That is the plan as I've seen it expressed, and the results are promising.

    A significant part of this plan is to undo the many uneven trade deals we've made as well as getting rid of punitive regulations that discourage businesses, in general. The tax bill, too. It's coherent.

    There have been no artificial means that I've seen.

    The response by companies, like Apple, has been to plan to hire 20,000 manufacturing workers.
     
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    Losing jobs to out sourcing to cheap labor markets, is much worse for our economy than losing the same jobs to automation in country.
     
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    Let's be clear here - Apple is not going to hire 20K manufacturing workers because Apple is not a manufacturer - for the exact reasons I mentioned. Apple out-sources manufacturing, they are a tech/style company because that's where the margins are. Given the free gift they were given to bring money with minimal tax on it - they will try to appease the administration - but I have no doubts that they will switch manufacturers as soon as lightning given the opportunity for cheaper options elsewhere - that has been their operating system for a long time now - and I do not expect it to change.
     
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    So, you are basically all of high-tech, automation companies instead of cheap tricks to prop unreasonable manufacturing jobs. Me too.
     
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    Robotics are the future....whichever country embraces this fact will smoke the countries trying to prop up the industrial revolutions idea of manufacturing...at some point, people will need to find other skills that robots can't do.
     
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    I love that job, finding ways to automate union jobs.

    But that does not mean there isn't a role to play using tariffs also. Tools are tools, selection of the right one is the skill needed. Tariffs maybe use for direct affect or indirect in another agenda and still be a tool.
     
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    For those that dislike the lack of global morality in tariffs.

    What is the difference in Trump using a tariff on Chinese solar products, and Obama giving Solyndra a cheap Government loan? Or Tax credits for his version of desirable products, like Electric autos? It seems that is about what the Chinese did for their solar cells.
     
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    The talk is they might start making iPhones in the US. Or Foxconn might, too.

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...8-billion-in-foreign-cash-taxes-idUSKBN1F62FJ

    The company has been under increasing pressure to make U.S. investments since the 2016 presidential campaign, when Trump targeted the iPhone maker for making products in Asian factories.

    While Apple has announced no plans to change that practice and experts say it would be economically impractical to make iPhones in the United States, the company has begun to emphasize its U.S. economic impact, from developers who sell software on its App Store to the tens of billions of dollars per year it spends with U.S. suppliers.

    Between the spending plan, hiring 20,000 people, tax payments and business with U.S.-based suppliers, Apple on Wednesday estimated it would spend $350 billion in the United States over the next five years.
     
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    In the case of Apple...they'll make up the labor uptick in retail pricing...if you thought their shit was expensive now...it's going to cost a lot more if they make them here...
     
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    I don't know why you guys even buy that crap. I dislike apple's stuff and have for years. But then I gave up on using an Android last year too.
    Damn thing would not do half of what it is reported to do. Then I found out, it depends on the carrier it was made to connect with. Like TMoble or ATT
    or... Like an android made to connect with Tmobile will not tether, even if it is unlocked. No mention of these little naggles.

    Perhaps when the day comes there is a standard for this crap, it will be usable for the owner, not someone else.
     
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    ABC News. Not Fox News.

    http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/anal...-trump-economy-blasting-off/story?id=52632659
    Analysis: It’s the 'economy, stupid'. And right now, the Trump economy is blasting off

    By TERRY MORAN
    Jan 26, 2018, 1:00 PM E

    (Terry Moran is a reporter who was injured badly while embedded with troops early in the overthrow of Saddam Hussein).

    It’s the economy, stupid.

    And right now, the Trump economy is blasting off.

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    In conversations with business and political leaders gathered at theWorld Economic Forumin Davos, Switzerland, there is almost zero mention of the controversies which consume coverage of Trump in America.

    Instead, people talk about the real possibility now that growth in the U.S. economy could hit 4 percent this year — a positively Clintonian benchmark. The impact worldwide would be tremendous.

    We forget what that kind of economy means. Clinton averaged roughly 4 percentGDP growth. Record budget surpluses. Recordjob growth. Real household incomes up across the board. A skyrocketingstock market.

    Money in peoples’ pockets—for college, for retirement, for vacations. Businesses booming. New ones starting. And the USA once again the engine pulling the world economy.

    We’re a long way from that, for sure.

    And there are analysts who say the world’s economies are simply being boosted by all the easy money central banks pumped into them for years — and that’s a bubble that will burst.

    But business types here disagree. And they give a lot of credit to Trump for the renewed strength and vigor they sense in the sinews of the global economy.

    Deregulation is the first thing they mention. The cost of doing business has come down fast. That means margins will go up. That’s why so many investors see American companies as such good bets.

    And that’s all Trump.

    The tax cut is also—no surprise—hugely popular here. It seems the old US corporate tax structure was operating as a kind of logjam in the world economy, freezing up the flow of money and distorting investment decisions.

    The dam broke. Trump broke it.
     
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    Just 25% of the workforce works for big corporations. Only 1/3 of the entire population works at all.

    Great poll!

    https://www.mercurynews.com/2018/01/05/your-paycheck-may-be-going-up-soon-because-of-tax-cuts/

    WHAT ABOUT THOSE FATTER PAYCHECKS?

    That was the promise from the Republican architects of the tax plan. Deflecting criticism of the deeply unpopular legislation, they insisted Americans will come to love the new tax law when they see their heftier paychecks this year — with less money withheld in anticipation of lower income taxes.

    In February, look at your paychecks, because you’ll see the tax relief we delivered,” said Rep. Kevin Brady, head of the tax-writing House Ways and Means Committee.

    The Internal Revenue Service says employees could see “changes” in their paychecks as early as February. The agency first has to issue the new withholding tables for employers, reflecting the changes in tax rates for different income levels under the new law. That’s expected to happen sometime this month to give companies and payroll service providers — and their computer systems — time to adjust. Such a massive, universal change feels something like turning around an aircraft carrier.
     
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    Conclusion seems sound.

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    It seems just a little odd that the opponents of this new tax bill, and there are many here in S2, do not or can not admit that receiving some tax from the overseas profits is better than none.

    What's Apple's number? 32b in new taxes paid! Without this bill, they would pay nothing and no new investments would occur in this country from the overseas earnings. Why is this not a huge Win? In anyone's right mind???
     
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    Indeed. In context - the dam broke, unleashing the economic forces that were stifled under your guy's awful policies.
     

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