How did the Blazers Arrive At Mediocrity and Where Do They Go From Here?

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  1. Hobbesarable

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    This is what you said:

    Read the bolded part again. Going 20-62 is not barely missing the playoffs.

    That's missing them by a huge margin.
     
  2. Wizard Mentor

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    You're absolutely right, I misspoke twice! So, you nitpicked and disregarded the point of my post. Check, got it. All good.
     
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    Yeah, that one almost made me short out my keyboard by spraying coffee through my nose.
     
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    You forgot green font for the "All Good" part. :devilwink:
     
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    One thing about this article is it tends to take a doomsday scenario regarding the Blazers. "They are fucked unless they offer incentive deals to get rid of salary." I think as long as we take a measured approach to getting out from under our cap bind it can be done. If we give ourselves a few trade windows and take advantage of league trade situations.... we can do it. The question is whether Olshey or not have the gumption. He just has to be slick.
     
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    How nany championships do the Pats have without Brady.....EVER
     
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    I'll sign up to wanting to match Crabbe. And I'd like it if he was still here. Instead of 40M/yr of others...
     
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    But I'm kind of with Wizard Mentor on this one. There's a lot of inaccuracy in the article. Some of which turn out to be premise-shifters, so... :dunno:

    In all the doom-and-gloom, in the case that we can't do anything good at all, Meyers, Mo, ET, Ed and Aminu will all be off the books by summer of 2020, when Dame and CJ (and Zach?) each have a year left on their rookie deals. So if nothing goes right, no trades are made and no FAs signed, we have 30y/o Dame, 29 y/o CJ, Zach entering his prime, 2018 and 2019 draft pick and Caleb with about 60M of cap space. Mediocrity solved.

    Now, I personally think we can (and will) do better, but I think this is ok. You know what messes up that scenario above? Attaching first round picks to mistake contracts, in order to get further mistake contracts. Swapping 2+ years of an overpaid Leonard for 3+ years of someone else.
     
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    Lies. Revisionist history.

    There were many. And they were arrogant when I immediately opposed. They said, Olshey is authority, so he must be right. Or, Olshey has just begun his changes. Or, just be a lazy thinker like me.
     
  10. Boob-No-More

    Boob-No-More Why you no hire big man coach?

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    Only because David Robinson suffered a season ending injury during the 6th game of the season. The year before they won 59 and they year before that, 62. They were already contenders before they drafted Duncan, but he put them over the top.

    They basically added a once a generation player to a 60-win team. Most teams that win the lottery don't already have one of the top 50 players of all time on their roster. It was a unique combination of circumstances that hasn't been duplicated since.

    Since Duncan, the only top 3 draft picks to win an NBA championship for the team that drafted them are LeBron James and Kyrie Irving, and that took LeBron leaving so CLE could get the #1 pick three times during his four year abscence, and then coming back and finally winning a title 9 years after being drafted. Again, an unprecedented set of circumstances.

    In fact, of the 60 top 3 picks since Duncan was drafted, only 6 have won an NBA title (LeBron, Kyrie, Pau, Bogut, Adam Morrison and Durant). Pau and Morrison won with the Lakers. Bogut and Durant won with GSW.

    So, twenty years, six future champions for three organizations and only one that tanked their way to a title (CLE and they had to tank once to get LeBron and tank for four more years before he came back).

    Winning the lottery isn't nearly the panacea many in the pro tank crowd would have you believe. Sucking bad enough to get a top 3 pick is much more likely to be followed by several more years of sucking, followed by your top 3 pick getting fed up and leaving to have a better chance at winning a ring elsewhere.

    BNM
     
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    I don't take these topics too seriously as to the team's status ..I just want to be invested in the roster and coach.....a lot of things are pure crap shoot in sports anyway...win some...lose some...Crabbe could've been a Donovan Mitchell his rookie season but he wasn't...I don't regret moving him at all. Pat Connaughton might be the next Joe Kleine.....Zach Collins might be the next Tom Chambers and Caleb Swannigan might turn into Jerome Kersey....bring it on! Enjoy what you can along the ride and watch it play out. I do think players come here and get better. Just really thankful Dame is driving the car....he's got my vote for the duration
     
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    Yes, I remember that season quite well.

    It'll be interesting to see how Olshey will improve our roster by the trade deadline and by the draft (if he lasts that long). He'll certainly need to be creative with trades and/or draft picks as most high-end quality players do not join our team through FA.
     
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    Olshey is definitely in damage control mode...he's got to fix a few miscues soon.
     
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    Boob-No-More Why you no hire big man coach?

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    He has no one to blame but himself. He has placed himself in the unenviable position of needing to cut salary and improve the team at the same time.

    He miraculously managed to do both at the trade deadline last year, by getting Nurk. The bloom is off that rose.

    Can he pull another one out of his ass for the second straight year? If he wants to keep his job, he'd better.

    BNM
     
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    This to me is the reason Dame went straight to Paul...bosses boss move
     
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    First of all, don't ever fuckin call me a liar. That SURELY is a personal attack and I never lie. Get the fuck outta here with that shit.

    2nd, I don't remember a single poster being on board with those changes. Save I guess BFW who just admitted it.
     
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    My current years-long campaign is to get the board to see that McCollum can't stay, if we are to ever extend a contract or sign someone new.

    In a couple of years, when the bare majority finally agree, I'll see posts saying, "No one ever disagreed with you. Everyone always wanted him gone. I don't remember a single poster who wanted to keep him. And use wording like 100% severely absolutely almost on-purpose wrong, not lie."

    In 2002-03, in every city all over the world people marched against Bush's approaching attack on Iraq. Here in Bellingham, for months when you drove on the freeway, every overhead bridge had people waving signs at traffic below. Many city councils agreed, and the sanctuary movement was born to resist the Federal government. After a couple of years of hundreds of thousands of Iraq killings and tortures, war proponents were saying in the media, "But but, Saddam didn't deny strongly enough that he had WMDs. He only said it 5 times instead of 50. No one had a clue that he had no WMDs, since the UN inspectors which included retired US military experts must have been lying. It was well-publicized that he had no missiles that could reach Israel, much less the U.S., but it follows logically that we should start an unprovoked 30-year war." It's called revisionist history.
     
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    The trouble with these diatribes is that the most important information is missing.

    Trade CJ.

    Gotta trade CJ.

    REALLY, REALLY, ABSOLUTELY HAVE TO TRADE CJ!!!!

    WHO FOR?

    Without knowing what the deal is it’s all just BS.
     
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    “How did the Blazers Arrive At Mediocrity?”

    IT ALL STARTED WITH THE JERMAINE O’NEAL TRADE.

     
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    No.
    There were many who said Portland couldn't continue to let talent walk away for nothing with pertaining to the Crabbe contract.
    Over the first 5 pages of 'evan turner becomes a blazer' thread. No one was happy. There were people trying to look at the positive but no one was happy.
    Also no one thought Nards would get a contract.

    @dviss1 isn't the one with revisionist history. You are.
     
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