Politics Trump Ordered Mueller Fired, but Backed Off When White House Counsel Threatened to Quit

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  1. barfo

    barfo triggered obsessive commie pinko boomer maniac Staff Member Global Moderator

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    But not to impede an investigation into 'this Trump and Russia thing'.

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    I my view, the chief executive is completely correct to terminate an investigation into anything that has zero evidence to support opening the investigation. Simple whines from the opposition is not evidence. The FBi director is simple. He needed to be fired.


    This would be true of any CEO. Who the hell would hire a lawyer to investigate any infraction were you have no evidence that it happened?
     
  3. barfo

    barfo triggered obsessive commie pinko boomer maniac Staff Member Global Moderator

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    As it happens, there was plenty of evidence then, and there is more now. And anyway your view and the law disagree (you fought the law and the law won..).

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  4. MarAzul

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    This is the law I know exists.
    "
    Article. II.

    Section. 1.

    The executive Power shall be vested in a President of the United States of America. "

    If you have one that overrides this one, please post the link.
     
  5. barfo

    barfo triggered obsessive commie pinko boomer maniac Staff Member Global Moderator

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    Just read a little further. Article II, section 4.

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  6. MarAzul

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    Yes?
     
  7. barfo

    barfo triggered obsessive commie pinko boomer maniac Staff Member Global Moderator

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    Yes.

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  8. MarAzul

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    :cool2: Barf folds.
     
  9. barfo

    barfo triggered obsessive commie pinko boomer maniac Staff Member Global Moderator

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    Not at all. Do you need impeachment explained to you?

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    No, I can recall the proceedings.

    Those proceeding are even less likely to happen than finding any evidence to support it.

    But then you error, hey? Article 4 does not override the fact that the President holds the executive power.
     
  11. barfo

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    Actually, that's kind of the point of impeachment, isn't it? Removal of the Presidents executive power?
    I'll grant that while the president is the president, he is the president. Is that what you are trying to prove?
    Unfortunately for you and Mr. Trump, president and king are not the same thing. His powers are not unlimited.

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    Thanks for the information barf.:cool2:

    So are the powers of Congress, everything takes a majority.
     
  13. Denny Crane

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    How do you define fake news?

     
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    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...s-trump-erupted-over-doj-role-in-russia-probe

    Two people familiar with the matter said the actual events were more complicated and that Trump never issued a formal order to fire Mueller. Trump was surprised by Mueller’s appointment, saying that he had previously had a business dispute with the special counsel, and reacted angrily until McGahn calmed him down.

    The emergence of the Mueller firing story troubled White House aides, who said Trump had been showing more restraint in recent months at not making pronouncements or threats that would cross dangerous political lines in dealing with Mueller’s probe.
     
  15. barfo

    barfo triggered obsessive commie pinko boomer maniac Staff Member Global Moderator

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    So you have two slightly different accounts, both of them reported by the evil 'mainstream media'. How did you decide which one is fake news?

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    I love that Trump rips people off at his golf courses and then uses that as an excuse to claim bias against him.

    Yes, people are predisposed to think you are a crook, because you are in fact a crook.

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    This is literally the dumbest shit ever.

    The fact that you believe this shit is pretty fucking amazing and says more about you than it does about Liberals.

    TRUE liberals want us to rid the world of ALL war and ALL nuclear weapons. Get your mind right...
     
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    That is not the reason Trump said he fired him for. So you just pulled that one outta your ass. Trump fired him because of the Rosenstein Memo but then lied about it afterward. There was NO mention of "insubordination".

    Why Did Trump Fire Comey?
    Trump said the “FBI has been in turmoil,” and a White House spokeswoman said “the rank and file of the FBI had lost confidence” in Comey.
    “That is not accurate,” according to Acting FBI Director Andrew McCabe, who said Comey “enjoyed broad support within the FBI, and still does to this day.”


    Trump fired Comey on May 9. The White House issued a statement saying, “President Trump acted based on the clear recommendations of both Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein and Attorney General Jeff Sessions.”

    Rosenstein wrote a two-and-a-half page memo with the subject line “Restoring Public Confidence in the FBI” that stated the reasons why Comey should be removed. The memo cited Comey’s “handling of the conclusion of the investigation of Secretary [Hillary] Clinton’s emails.” Rosenstein criticized Comey for holding a press conference on July 5, 2016, to publicly announce his recommendation not to charge Clinton, and for announcing on Oct. 28, 2016, that the FBI had reopened its investigation of Clinton.

    Comey’s firing came less than two months after the director confirmed at a congressional hearing on March 20 that the bureau is investigating “whether there was any coordination between the [Trump] campaign and Russia’s efforts” to influence the 2016 presidential election.

    In January, the Office of the Director of National Intelligence released a declassified intelligence report that found “Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered an influence campaign in 2016 aimed at the US presidential election” with the goal of hurting Clinton and helping to elect Trump.

    Democrats have criticized the timing of Comey’s firing, because of the ongoing investigation. But Trump administration officials said the decision had nothing to do with Russia.

    On the night of Comey’s firing, CNN’s Anderson Cooper asked White House Counselor Kellyanne Conway, “Why fire James Comey now?” She cited Rosenstein’s letter and his bipartisan credentials, noting that he was overwhelmingly confirmed as deputy attorney general.

    Then Sanders comes out and says:

    Sanders, May 10: I think he’s heard from the rank and file of the FBI, but particularly someone who had done a thorough review and someone who has the respect and reputation that the deputy attorney general has, he took that seriously. He took the recommendation seriously. And he made a decision based on that.

    Trump's lyin ass says in the Lester Holt interview:

    Holt, May 11: Monday you met with the Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein.

    Trump: Right.

    Holt: Did you ask for a recommendation?

    Trump: What I did is, I was going to fire Comey. My decision. It was not —

    Holt: You had made the decision before they came in the room.

    Trump: I was going to fire Comey. There’s no good time to do it, by the way.

    Holt: Because in your letter you said, “I accepted their recommendation.”

    Trump: Well, they also —

    Holt: So, you had already made the decision.

    Trump: Oh, I was going to fire regardless of recommendation.
     
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    Make vague judgements/insults all you want but the actions of the liberal media don't reflect their 'peace loving' ways. That shit is laughable bro. TRUE liberals don't want war and conflict but they have no problem voting for a war mongering, corrupt ass Clinton.
     
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    Whichever one you believe is fake.
     

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