OT Figure It Out.... It's Not That Hard If You Just Try...

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  1. MarAzul

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    Perhaps.
    But being old enough to have noticed several cycles, it is time that changes the view. I doubt that being slow is the reason you have not noticed. Short on time is more likely.

    The list of "correct" names for people of African decent in America is long. No doubt, unsettled. Some what confusing too, even to the these people and maybe more so to Africans. Look at the race Barrack Obama's daddy entered on the birth certificate for his race. African.
    Dang man! That's a continent.
    http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2010/01/21/race-and-the-census-the-“negro”-controversy/
     
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    Are you sure you are not short on time again?
     
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    I like the Canadian term First Nations personally, but I use Native Americans and honestly have never heard anyone tell me that they thought it was offensive.
     
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    I am not sure why I used that term in discussions with the representatives of a tribe recently, but I observed a flinch. I won't do it again when I come back to continue the venture. I did find out they prefer to be call by their tribal name. At least these people do. So there may not be an acceptable generic name.
     
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    That's quite possible.
     
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    Quite the contrary, it's extremely complicated to come up with a designation for the indigenous population of a country as large as the United States. There are many tribes and not all of them want to be identified in the collective with members of other tribes. The term "Indian" of course has a basic problem of being incorrect from a geographic standpoint, but curiously according to Wikipedia, "As of 1995, according to the US Census Bureau, 50% of people who identified as indigenous preferred the term American Indian, 37% preferred Native American, and the remainder preferred other terms or had no preference."
    The term "Native American" was a specific attempt to resolve this naming issue and thus has no racial animus and is not "racist". That said, it's usually used to describe indigenous peoples of the 48 contiguous states. So, add in the difficulties of the broader identification issue of the indigenous peoples of Alaska, Hawaii, and American Samoa and it's even more complicated. Your suggestion of the term "natives", while simple, is not specific enough to have any meaning. "Natives" would refer to the indigenous population of any geographic region on the globe. In the broader context of common spoken English, it's often used in a non-racial identity way to speak of anyone who was born in the region in which they reside. I'm a native Oregonian, but have no racial ties to the indigenous population of the area.
    I'm absolutely with you on the Redskins name issue. That term has been used in a pejorative way throughout much of our history. I have no doubt that the majority of Washington Redskins fans don't see it as anything but an honorable team name that compliments the indigenous people of that area for being brave warriors. Despite that, you simply can't divorce the pejorative term from the intent. Change the damned thing and move along.
    Maybe there will come a time when we can all just refer to each other as "people" and then we will truly have moved past racism. Until then, maybe we should cut each other a little more slack about the use of terms that generally are not intended to be negative descriptions of race or ethnicity?
     
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    First, stop quoting Wikipedia... Just stop that. 2nd, I never said the word Native American was racist. I said some are offended by it.

    And when that day comes.. the day when we just refer to each other as people... I hope to live to see it.

    But understand I never said it was racist.
     
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    Actually it does. Your Black Privilege doesn’t give you the right to assume you know what Indians think and feel.
     
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    The virtue signalers, seeking to improve their diversity measurements will never permit it. Nor will those that live off the friction when more can be generated.

    And you might observe, there are those that desire to be recognized by their difference.
     
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    Cluless post. Now you're the actually guy and the conspiracy nut. Go figure.
     
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    Interesting indeed. errr but which tribe is willing to share with so many?
    Like the Coquille tribe has the best healthcare in the county. Several million DACAs fuck that up asap.
     
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    The "epiphany" would come at shouldering the expense of social services and security alone...go for it smarty pants..
     
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    The fact that you think people who aren't citizens are receiving welfare says a lot about where you get your information...
     
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    dviss hoping for a renewal and new out come to the Indian wars.
     
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    First, stop telling me what to do. Just stop that ;). The quote has a footnote from a US Census Bureau study. I wouldn’t use it if it wasn’t documented.

    Second, your quote was that the term Native “Americans” is offensive. How did you mean “offensive” if not in a racial context?
     
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