Politics What Immigrants Think About Trump's Wall

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  1. Denny Crane

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    I hadn't seen them the past 7-8 years.

    Republicans started building a border wall there in the 1980s or early 1990s.

    I think it's a national disgrace.
     
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    Over the top! Offensive!!!
     
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    I could do this too. My brother hired some Russians to remodel his garage.....the same guys came back and broke in and stole a bunch of stuff from him. Do I hate Russians because of this? They flew here son........... Sorry about your family member, but your story don’t float.
     
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    That created long lines for visas for countries with large emigration demand (Mexico, India, China and the Philippines)
    (from the article Denny posted)

    This denotes the real problem. Emigration from countries that can not support their population. Well the US can not do it either.
    The US is on track to join this list well before the end of this century. No way should we run to the end of this track.
     
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    I go one step further...... my wife was hit by this woman here in our neighborhood a few years ago. Messed her car up. The other woman was a some rich chick from West Linn and had no insurance on her car........ Do i hate rich white women from the suburbs (Acutally I do) so this doesn’t really work. Nevermind.
     
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  6. julius

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    Really? I swear I saw one there about 3 years ago.
     
  7. MarAzul

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    Lord, that was an ignorant post.
     
  8. Denny Crane

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    With the wall there, I'm not sure where families of immigrants can get through.

    I have plenty of Hispanic friends who go back and forth through the border crossing. I'd think that's how "illegals" would get in anymore. By getting a passport and just crossing as a visitor, then never going back.
     
  9. julius

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    *I realize that you might have meant the post i was responding to, but you quoted mine so with that said...*

    You must mean your post, right? Because

    https://www.carinsurance.com/Articl...rage-state-averages-of-uninsured-drivers.aspx

    About one in eight drivers on the road in 2015 was uninsured, according to the latest data from the Insurance Research Council (IRC). The nationwide uninsured motorist (UM) rate increased from 12.3 percent in 2010 to 13 percent in 2015. Uninsured motorist rates varied substantially among individual states, ranging from 4.5 percent in Maine to 26.7 percent in Florida.


    *

    You're telling me that the majority of those who are uninsured in the country are all those damn illegal immigrants?

    There are about 200 million licensed drivers in the US (+ or - 10 million). There are about 15 million "illegals" in the US (I know some say 30 million, but I think that's stretching it). I would venture a safe bet that the majority of "illegals" are children (they tend to make up the larger % of them historically). So let's just assume 50% of them are driving, and 100% of those are uninsured. So that's anywhere from 7 (15 million illegals) to 15 million at most (30 million illegals).

    And remember, that's assuming that 100% of them who drive, do so uninsured.

    Now, let's get to the "Real Americans". As the article above said, they are uninsured at about 13%, which would be about 26 million drivers.

    And while I fully accept that there is a new version of math out there, I'm fairly certain that 26 million uninsured "real Americans" is still more than (at the high end) 15 million "illegals".

    So, how was this an ignorant post?
     
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    The wall is just a distraction, as you're right. Most come by other ways.

    I swear I've seen those signs more recently on a trip to San Diego/Southern California. It could be my memory is off.
     
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    California will license undocumented residents (to drive) but doesn't force them to get insurance. It seems likely that most if not nearly all do not have insurance.

    I'd love to see that addressed - figure out how they can get insured.
     
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    Well, you can start by telling us how and illegal gets car insurance that is valid without a drivers license which is only issued to legal residents.

    Then you can you explain why it is a solid idea to increase the risk of being hit by and uninsured by adding millions of uninsured drivers.
     
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    None of what you're saying changes what i said. You have a better chance of being hit by an uninsured "American" than an uninsured "illegal".
     
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    Speaking of California, didn't they just pass a law that will allow anyone with a drivers license over 18 to vote starting in April? So hypothetically, illegals could vote...
     
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    There could be an impact or there could be a shift out of view. If we put up an impediment to crossing at point A, does that result in fewer crossings or a shift to crossing at point B-Z. Likely both to some degree. But to people who live close to point A, the impediment will appear to be a huge success. In actuality the success might be minute or inconsequential but often appearances are all that matter to politicians or the public.

    If the wall that Trump is talking about establishing is built, how many of the folks who would have crossed in that section will instead go to an unwalled or crossable fence section, tunnel , fly or boat or drive instead. Sure, all those areas could be impacted too, but at what price?
     
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    Purely anecdotal, but the vast majority of my Hispanic clients support the wall. I was very surprised by that revelation but they said they came to this country for a reason and didn't want the drug czars and criminal elements following them to this country. They felt much safer here and with more opportunity and didn't want that ruined. They do want people to come here like they did....legally. People who want to assimilate, become citizens, obey the law and make a better life for them and their families.
     
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    I don't think the border could be made impenetrable, but I do think the wall would reduce immigrants' ability to cross. It has to. The walls in existence already have done so.

    San Diego has a heavy Navy presence (and Marines). I saw border control helicopters flying along the coast constantly. They're there, I assume, to catch any boats with people trying to get into the country.

    But as I said earlier, all you need is a passport and to say "I'm visiting friends" or "I'm going shopping" to get across the border. Once across, you'd just head to a sanctuary city and disappear.

    What you really have to question is who the people are who won't cross that way, and why.
     
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    The wall is a stupid idea and a waste of money.....all behind the guise of hordes of criminals crossing the borders....that door swings both ways...our criminals have traditionally always headed for Mexico eh? Maybe Mexico will start deporting them as well
     
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    Where would you prefer to spend time in jail? Mexico or here?
     
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    neither....but our bank robbers probably aren't in jail in Mexico either
     

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