Politics Let Me Anger The Conservatives With This One

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  1. SlyPokerDog

    SlyPokerDog Woof! Staff Member Administrator

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    But the video isn't about max salary, it's about living wage. If you work 40hrs a week you shouldn't need welfare.
     
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    The beauty of our system is that it rewards success, and by giving more money to the successful, you expect them to spread it around to some degree.

    Zuckerberg may not make much of a salary at all (Gates' biggest salary was $1M his last few years at Microsoft). But if you took away his incentive, he surely wouldn't be worried about building a massive company with 100's of thousands of well treated/paid employees.

    I know if I hit the max, I'd put in half effort because that's the incentive. The entire productivity and creativity of the nation would decline.

    As far as the government, most people don't serve for a lifetime (though many do). If you look at the federal government, most of the richest neighborhoods in the US are suburbs of DC. People leave government to get paid much more because they have some (undue and improper) influence or knowledge that gives an unfair competitive advantage.

    As far as the military, you get other benefits besides pay (GI Bill, VA loans, VA, housing, health care, pension, etc.) if you serve long enough. You can retire from the military at age 38 with a nice pension to add to a 2nd career elsewhere. It's quite attractive in a lot of respects. It's also a highly respectable career and career choice. It also is a situation where you don't play by the same rules (of law, etc.). And you have a strong kind of discipline that doesn't suggest that the generals (making the max) are paying the entitlements of a bunch of loafers.

    Note I said "one of the stupidest" and not "THE stupidest."
     
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    Cippy91 Habitual Line Stepper

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    I find it funny the small things Americans complain about yet there are 3rd world countries where people struggle a million times more than even the poorest here. Now I am not conservative but this is one thing I don't agree on plus how the fuck would you even get that to work out? I like Jesse Ventura too but I simply disagree on this one. Yeah in a perfect world everybody lives equally and blah blah blah but this world is far from perfect
     
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    I left more stock valuation in Amazon unvested on the table when I left than I made in my 5 years on the submarine. At Boeing, the difference in raises between me (who had just won an award and was nominated for a Boeing Best Practice) and someone who was about to be fired was $7 per pay period, because we were on union scales. Even right now, as I'm about to go do a 6-month project in uniform, I'm taking a pay cut to do so. As you said, for me there are benefits outside of the pure paycheck (and thankfully, I'm in a position where I can do so without hurting my family), but let's be clear: it's not the "best" 40% of the military that stay in after their first enlistment or obligation. It's not the "best" qualified person who is working as a DoD civilian or in the IRS or VA. But the people I hired at Amazon (for instance) were among the best of personnel in their field, and part of the reason is b/c we could compensate more than many places. There's no mechanism to take someone who's top of their field and make it even remotely competitive for someone to work in gov't or the military. There are some very good people who stay in. But it's not b/c the military can pay them what they could make "on the outside"...it's for those other things you mention like discipline, sense of duty, etc.
     
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    What's your new military project? Sweeping the floor or licking the windows?

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...w-people-were-furious/?utm_term=.bf50d566c6a6
     
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    All the good window lickers got sent to Iraq, so...you're stuck with me.
     
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    bodyman5000 and 1 Lions, Tigers, Me, Bears

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    Fuck, that's just our lick I guess
     
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    It never entered my mind.
     
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    I don't think it's necessarily the best who stay, though I hope those at the very top are the very best.

    I wasn't suggesting that people in the military (or government) are doing better than in the private sector. Until they leave :)
     
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    The very top are very rarely even the very best of who stuck around. Look at Petraeus vs., say, Wesley Clark. Carter Ham vs. Jim Amos. Hell, Chaos 6 is the SECDEF, and was passed over for Commandant partially b/c Obama and Panetta hated him.
     
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    Some of those guys simply are old. They served as generals and for a decent amount of time. Clark, for example graduated West Point in 1966 and served 38 years. Is that "sticking around?"

    Petraeus graduated 1974 and served until 2011 (37 years) before becoming director of the CIA.

    Anything beyond one hitch is technically "sticking around," IMO. Guys who make it to 20 years certainly did stick around, no?
     
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    Chaos 6? Is that a nickname?

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    Do we want to create a list?
     
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    Well, you caught me wanting?
     
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    Thread title accurate, conservatives angered.

    @dviss1 wins round 1.
     
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    Body repair men $97.00 Part time UCC, fire and housing inspector $98.00
     
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    This reminds me of the Mega Millions l0ttery. Why does one person get it all? For example, every 360 million should be divided to one mil per number related winner ticket.
     
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