If the Grizz want a first for Evans, maybe we make it a 3-way deal with the Cavs first going to Memphis, with us taking back Evans and the largely-useless-to-them Ben McLemore?
I'm surprised by that. IMO, CJ and Love are about equal. I could argue that Love does more to help his team win. I would struggle making a straight trade between the two because of the ball handling aspect - but adding the Brooklyn pick (around 8-10) would probably do it for me. However, I don't think I'd make the trade until June right before the draft.
Lol Neil really is going down with this ship. Won’t even entertain calls for CJ or Collins? But is actively looking for that third piece? He’ll be gone by summer.
Well, the Thunder included Sabonis to acquire George! Everything Neil has done is to acquire assets to re-engineer the team. There is no way he'd figured in 2 1/2 years from the start of the rebuild he's be in contention. Im thinking his & Paul's timeline was to be in contention year 4&5. So we may as well expect the unexpected! No sacred cows!!!
Yes, that is great news... we are basically gonna stick with a roster that can only beat teams with their star players out, that is dead last in assist and fast breakbpoints... great news, not even entertaining offers for CJ.... great news Collins is untouchable... basically we are not offering anything of value in trade... so we will be stuck as 6-8 seed while other teams get better... great news
as opposed to the 14 teams that won't even sniff the playoffs.....playoffs is where you develop young players ..can't replicate that in pick up games in the off season. We beat superstar OKC team pretty handily...and it was fun to watch..I don't think anybody expects a championship this season anyway
We expect better with the 3rd highest paid roster in the conference (slated to be 5th highest in the league) next year. This isn't some underdog team.
I've been a Blazer fan long enough to know better than to expect a contender 2 years into a rebuild...as to the money...that's on ET, Meyers and Mo..they all could have done what CJ did and built a brand that would make their contracts acceptable...all 3 have disappointed....sort of like Nic Batum or Wes Mathews contracts....GMs banked on their potential...that happens to most teams and for the hundredth time....Paul Allen isn't worried about money..only fans are
I don't care one bit about saving Paul Allen money. I care about the lack of flexibility Neil has created by poorly predicting what would happen with the cap. We have 3 contracts that are essentially immovable on their own. Three contracts for players who give us all a net negative on the court. This can't be understated how fucked we are because of the moves he made in 2016. As I've said a million times in the past, these moves were not made with the actual roster in mind-- rather with retaining assets (mind you, assets that have 0 value when combined with their contracts just one year later). All that said, it's well and good that you don't expect a contender now. But I think you're not seeing how dire our situation is even for the near future. There is literally no out for the mistakes of Summer '16. We are wasting the prime of possibly the best player in franchise history because of those very mistakes. Hate being doom and gloom, but this team's absolute ceiling is maybe 50 wins and the second round for the rest of Dame's tenure, and that's a damn shame.
Other than being kind of embarrassing, what does it really matter what the payroll is? Let's say they never signed Turner. The numbers would look much better but they'd still be over the cap so it's not like it would magically fix the flexibility. The only difference is then instead of posts complaining about how high the payroll is there would be posts complaining about how this team doesn't spend the money necessary to win.
So the rest of Dame's tenure is two seasons? Because all 3 of those contracts come off the books then. All 3 become expiring after next season which also makes them more valuable.
They turned down George Hill because they didn't want to move Frye. They get Bove back in mid-March, a month before the playoffs start. They need improved play at PG, especially on defense, much more than a short term band aid at PF. Plus, they also value Frye as an expiring contract in case LeBron leaves this summer. If he does leave, they will want to dump as much salary as possible to go all in on the rebuild. They would also need to include another player in addition to Frye to make the salaries match. They won't want to give up anyone young and cheap which means one of their surplus of underachieving veteran ring chasers. Most are expiring, but they are also just as useless to us as they are to CLE. Finally, there is no way to get under the tax threshold when trading with CLE. They are $35 million over the cap, $15 million over the tax threshold and hard capped by being over the apron. They can't take back any surplus salary. And, as they said in the podcast, POR's most likely goal will be to shed the $3 million necessary to get under the tax threshold. Aminu has enough value they could probably accomplish that by moving him elsewhere. It's basically him, or Ed Davis when it comes to trades that will get us under the tax threshold. BNM
That's ridiculous. It's hard to tell what the next year will bring, let alone his entire tenure in Portland.
yeah...don't see it as a dire predicament and if you read my original post....ET, Mo and Meyers are responsible for earning those contracts or building value...I understand why Olshey took the risks on all 3 guys. I've seen more playoff success with Stotts at the helm than previous years..going back to Drexler's heyday
I'd like to snag Evans, but as been discussed, he'd be a short term rental. If we do acquire him, it's for a late season and playoff push. As high as the team is on Zach Collins, I don't think they are ready to move him full time into the starting line up, at least not if a late season and playoff push this year is the goal (which is the only reason to go after Evans). Collins may be the future, but an Evans trade is a win now move. I suppose we could trade Aminu, start Vonleh at the 4 and Evans at the 3, and continue to bring Collins off the bench, but that seems a lot like rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic. BNM
Dame is on contract for two more years after this one. What hope do we have of retaining him past that as a treadmill team? Didn't we make the playoffs every year from 77 to like 2004?
