Ha! Well now you have something. Rasta has never, not one time responded to a comment from me about his wild claims. Never even acknowledge there was a MarAzul in this form. Until the post you bitch about where he miss characterizes the whole idea behind the thread. And you want civil discourse from me? Take a break river, before I pass out some more not so civil discourse.
ooooo.....the threat...this is me taking a break ...never stopped you before...I've read the thread daily here....made me wonder why economics and human slave trade made you start it? Sort of a human rights issue across the board wouldn't you think? All wars are costly...this one was very costly ...so was the American revolution and I wonder why you chose the Civil War to single out for loss of life and cost. I Agree with Denny...20 acres and a mule should have been addressed..Japan is dealing with reparations for comfort women around asia forced into prostitution...ignored it for decades...another thing not covered under war costs is the demolition that is unavoidable...this causes countries like Germany and Japan to retool post war and ugrade infrastructure....so war also creates less competition in the job market post war...thins the population of employable men...and makes arms dealers wealthy beyond reason...it's not all loss for everyone but it is for many
@MarAzul a little googling isn't that hard. http://www.foxnews.com/story/2008/0...-to-buy-slaves-for-400-apiece-in-gradual.html
Yes Denny, I saw it. But not from my view in Oregon. There were no Black people where I lived. Most of the Black people in Oregon came here during WWII to work in the shipyards. At least that is my understanding. They congregated close to the Shipyards on the Willamette and Columbia rivers. A large percentage of people in the area worked in these ship yard also. Everyone on both side of my family except those in the military, worked in the shipyards even though they lived in Oregon City. One Uncle got a bus and the whole gang traveled to Portland every day along with others that filled the bus. Gasoline was not available for private cars, but my uncle got all he needed with priority hauling workers to the yards. One Grandfather painted ships, The other was a rigger, assembling ships, All of the women were welders Including my mother and five aunts, Three Uncles were riggers or shipwrights. Dad was in the Navy, did not make it back from the Pacific. Two of his brother in the Marines, did survive the war. Dads father, the rigger, did not survive the shipyard, Mother survive an accident in the shipyard, so I am told, but I never saw her again. So much for generational wealth. When I was 15, I was renting a house making my way, paying my $10 monthy rent. I do not know nor did I see the foul treatment you describe in Oregon, it does not mean it was not there, just not in my view. I did see the bullshit on TV when it became available in Oregon. Starting with Little Rock AR. Later, it whacked me in the Face in Lexington Kentucky when I went there for what I call IBM boot camp. New employee training. A class that lasted about a month, 25 in a class, including two Black guys from NY City. I was elected by the class as the Class President. Which really means the company grunt. Responsible for setting up the class dinner. I had been to the Henry Clay house in Lexington where the host informs the visitors of all the great works by Henry Clay and his good intentions for Black people. You will find no discrimination in Lexington? The home of Henry Clay. So I proceed with my duties to set up a class dinner at a place of my classmates choosing. A steak house in Lexington. As everyone was arriving, I was hovering. The two Black guys showed up near the last, and that is when the shit hit the fan. They won't let the Black guys in! WTF! They are part of my party of 25! No go! So I suggest we all go to the Blue Ox, I knew that would work. By the way it was the original restaurant of Colonel Sanders. We all ate dinner, but that was not the end the shit for me. The Blacks bitched to the boss of the school, about me putting them though this humiliation. I should have known better. Well I did not. But I would oppose your suggestion with all my strength. I see nothing fair in it at all. But I realize it could be force on us, but not without a fierce fucking fight. https://www.google.com/search?q=Henry Clay Send Negros to Liberia&client=aff-maxthon-newtab&channel=t2
"Barely a year into the Civil War," A little late to begin a weak effort. I probably did not say it well, I knew of these effort but just too late and lacking force. Maybe even going to, Emanate domain, make them an offer with no alternative.
You know that there are not a lot of Blacks in Oregon because they were banned from living in Oregon until the 1920's right? Here's some Oregon history for you. In 1922 Oregon's governor was a KKK member. The Coon Chicken Inn was an actual restaurant in Oregon from 1931 to the 1950s.
Why do we have to give an entity or country any assets at all? These politicians spend our tax money like drunken sailors in a whiskey bar.
Where I disagree is with Denny's idea that since the 20 acres and Mule deal failed to be completed, he wants to do it now. Not with 20 acres and Mule, but as if the original deal had been done in and ideal way and now with fanatic appreciation. Thus guaranteeing all of today's off spring of slaves a fruits of a perfect investments over the 150 years. Thereby assuring them of perfect outcomes through the years. Almost none of the rest of us can look astern at a track record anywhere near this. Often due to the normal bad stuff that happens to human beings. Thus the cost to us would be horrendous, even punitive.
While the 20 arces and Mule could have been done in 1865. I am not so sure you could even do that today. In 1865 you only needed 70 million acres. Easy at that time. today you may need a Billion acres. I think we only have 2 billion total. Many of the 20 plots carved out of the available Federal land today, would not feed a man. So the Squabble would begin... no, it would change, but not end.
Oh crap! Wrong again. 2.7 billion acres total land in the US! Federal lands are only 640 million acres. Can't even do the 20 acres and a mule without beginning a confiscation program.
Obama put $10T on the government credit card without taxing anyone to pay for it. $2T of that would have sufficed for reparations.
