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    Interesting Hobbes. What sort of process would you replace the political process with? How else would you change the Constitution?

    I do have one suggestion that would not require a change to the Constitution, but it still would require the political process.
    Eliminate the gun free zones and put some armed persons in the school to ensure gun toting evil doers can not come do evil.
     
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    Thanks for the reminder. And unfortunately we are getting closer and closer to “war” regardless
     
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    I gather you have never taken an oath to up hold and defend the Constitution.?

    Who do yo include in the we with you?
     
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    We've always had war....that's not a new circumstance......now we have gutted the EPA and social services for more weapons and a huge military budget...like that's going to stop us from wars....welcome to the new cold war sponsored by your 3 time draft dodging beauty pageant mogul.....sheesh
     
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    I gather you've never read the inscription on the statue of liberty as well....do we include those freedoms or just close the door now that your forefathers have already immigrated and become Americans? I took an oath to serve my country......unlike the president. You have no problem giving him a free pass for dodging military service so he could party in New York City discos while we were at war.......you disrespect the wrong americans ....would love to see you have this conversation with Mueller or McCain.....two guys who did serve their country.
     
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    School shooting suspect belonged to white nationalist group

    By The Associated Press

    PARKLAND, Fla. -- An orphaned 19-year-old who participated in paramilitary drills with a white nationalist group was charged with murder Thursday in the deaths of 17 people who were fatally shot at a huge Florida high school in the nation's deadliest school attack in five years.

    Nikolas Cruz legally purchased the AR-15 rifle used in the assault at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School, law enforcement officials told The Associated Press.

    As the criminal case against the suspect took shape, the leader of a white nationalist militia called the Republic of Florida said Cruz was a member of his group and participated in exercises in Tallahassee.

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    The group wants Florida to become its own white ethno-state. Jereb said his organization holds "spontaneous random demonstrations" and tries not to participate in the modern world.

    http://www.oregonlive.com/today/index.ssf/2018/02/school_shooting_suspect_belong.html
     
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    If we sent all the racists to Mexico I'd rethink having a wall.....
     
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    He's not crazy, he's a terrorist.

    Nikolas Cruz Trained With White Supremacists, Group Claims

    Nikolas Cruz, the man accused of killing 17 people in a Florida high school, was a member of a “white separatist paramilitary proto-fascist organization,” the group told The Daily Beast.

    Cruz, 19, is accused of opening fire inside Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Florida. Prior to the shooting, he trained with the Republic of Florida, the group’s captain Jordan Jereb said. The RoF seeks to create a “white ethnostate” in Florida, according to its website, a view that Cruz supposedly shared.

    “I don’t know precisely what he believes,” Jereb said. “I know he knew full well he was joining a white separatist paramilitary proto-fascist organization.”

    The Anti-Defamation League first reported the link to RoF.

    Cruz “seemed like just a normal, disenfranchised, young white man,” Jereb said.

    While no motive has been described by police, Jereb speculated that Cruz may have allegedly committed the massacre out of hatred for Jews or women.


    “There’s a very real sense of feminism being a cancer. That could’ve played into what he did, but we have female members of RoF,” Jereb said, adding that “we’re not a big fan of Jews. I think there were a lot of Jews at the school that might have been messing with him.”

    Jereb said Cruz belonged to a RoF “cell” from Clearwater and drove up with members to Tallahassee to do paramilitary training. RoF was recently operating in Tallahassee and attempting to court new members, according to a local news report from last year. The group posts videos of training montages on the internet with members in fatigues brandishing weapons.

    “I’m not trying to glorify it, but he was pretty efficient in what he did,” Jereb said. “He probably used that training to do what he did yesterday. Nobody I know told him to do that, he just freaked out.”

    Cruz received at least one of his guns through the white supremacist group, according to Jereb.

    “I think somebody bought him a Mosin–Nagant, but that’s bolt action. He had a semi-automatic in the school,” Jereb said.

    Cruz exhibited right-wing politics in high school as well, former classmates told The Daily Beast. A former and a current student both said Cruz wore a “Make America Great Again” hat.

    https://www.thedailybeast.com/nikol...-white-supremacist-group-leader-says?ref=home
     
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    No i have not. So? We = everyone in America. Believe it or not I am a real American just like you.
     
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    Your oath to serve your country. Do you recall the part about defending the Constitution?
    Sure I have read the inscription on the statue. I find it way out dated and it as no relevance in law or in anyway comparable to the Constitution.
     
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    I think you are in error. Real Americans do not ignore the Constitution.
     
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    I see you are beating about the bush Sly, trying to connect the shooter to Trump.
    But forget that for a moment. Are you saying that new restrictions against mental illness would not prevent this fellow getting a gun?

    Or do you wish to include Trump supporters under the new restrictions?
     
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    Projectile is still a projectile. Stop blaming the tool and blame who is weilding it. The looks of a gun does not give it psychic powers to posses people into shooting people. Killers are killers. The ones that use a gun are just cowards. They cant handle the mental it takes to get up and personal.
     
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    I'm not trying to tie this to Trump. What new restrictions have I called for? Just providing information as it becomes available. The only opinion that I've expressed so far about this is I don't think he's crazy.
     
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    Is he white or hispanic?

    Another George Zimmerman situation?
     
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    I didn't mean you purposed. But the board is full of it.
     
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    Ah. Was waiting for the “guns don’t kill people “ argument. Which of course is totally false. It’s why people have guns. The sole reason. Does America just have a mental issue and the rest of the world is sane? Why aren’t they shooting up schools like us? Do they all have armed guards standing in front of every classroom?[/QUOTE]
     
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    When did I say ignore?
     
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    He's batshit fucking nuts.
     
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    I think most of the people that buy these guns buy them because they're cool. I get it why they think that. They're big boy toys for guys who haven't grown out of that stuff.

    Most people that buy Ferraris or big 4wd trucks don't use them for what they were made for really.

    A Ferrari on a track is like an AR 15 at a gun range. Use them like that in public and people can die.
     
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