Politics Trump’s support for background check bill shows gun politics ‘shifting rapidly’

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  1. Jade Falcon

    Jade Falcon Just to piss you off.

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    I saw this on the news. What a fucking idiot. He could have sold that gun legally and then sent the money to a charity or fundraiser or something. How typical that some assclown from NEW YORK would do something like this.

    "Make sure it's never used in a crime"? Why....were YOU planning on using it in a crime, toolbag? If it never leaves your possession, and you are a stable, law-abiding person, then what are you so terrified about?

    Idiots like these are the reasons why the Chuck Schumers, Nancy Pelosis, and Michael Bloombergs of the world fuck things up for knowledgeable, intelligent gun owners. They vote these entitled, bubble-mindset morons in to office. The type of people who legislate laws based on needs and requirements instead of wants and desires. Wants that fuel the Desires that this country was built upon.

    There are 320+ million guns in this country, owned by roughly 180 million people. And yet, according to the FBI, firearms account for less than 1% of the total number of deaths in this country per year.

    If guns were the problem.....you'd know it.

    If absolutely baffles me that people think that AR-15s/AK-47s, Republicans, the NRA, or Trump are the problems here. The problems are that we are more overpopulated than ever, and we as a society are more stressed out and on edge than ever before about grossly overblown and exaggerated issues. Everyone hates everyone, and everyone gets worked up over stupid, trivial bullshit like politics or social issues.

    This kind of shit didn't happen when my father was a kid. Or when his grandfather was a young man. Back then, you could not only take a rifle to school in a rack in the window of your pickup truck, but you could order one from a magazine and have it delivered to your fucking door without so much as a peep from the delivery man. There were no background checks, there were no regulations or "waiting periods".

    So what does that tell you?

    Jesus Christ....OPEN YOUR FUCKING EYES. GUNS ARE NOT THE PROBLEM HERE. Blaming guns for these mass shootings is like trying to fight a million acre wildfire with a watering can. It's pointless, and a waste of time. This isn't the NRA's problem, the gun industry's problem, Trump's problem, or a Republican problem. This is a SOCIETY problem. And you can thank that fucking media for getting everyone on edge and hyped up over stupid shit, and you can thank Hollywood for glamorizing violence as a means to an end.

    But oh....."President Tiny Hands" makes a sarcastic remark on Twitter, and the Pussy Hat Brigade gets up in a tissy about it. Because "Resist".

    Fuck you. Get your priorities right, America.
     
  2. rasheedfan2005

    rasheedfan2005 Well-Known Member

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    Hey scott, with all the bribe money you received to make this video you could have bought a gun safe and accomplished the same shit. Thank you though, as irresponsible idiots shouldnt have guns.
     
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    rasheedfan2005 Well-Known Member

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    I want to cuddle with this patriot.
     
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    Scott just played the liberal cucks. Not only did his video go viral, giving him limitless advertisement money in the future, but he didnt even destroy the part that was pre ban. Scott probably had another upper on order before he shot this video. Scott, you sneaky son of a bitch, why didnt i think to do this first?
     
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    Denny Crane It's not even loaded! Staff Member Administrator

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  6. Denny Crane

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    http://reason.com/archives/2018/02/18/a-cure-for-mass-shootings-doesnt-exist

    A Cure for Mass Shootings Doesn't Exist
    There are no plausible options that offer more than the faintest prospect of preventing the next massacre.

    Every time there is a mass shooting, a chorus goes up: "We must do something to keep this from happening again. We can't tolerate it any longer."

    Revulsion understandably creates a demand for remedies. But every time, we do nothing, to the fury of those who denounce the inaction as shameful.

    There is a simple explanation, though, for the inaction. It's not that the National Rifle Association is all-powerful, that too many Americans are blind to reason, or that most are complacent about wanton slaughter. It's that there are no plausible options that offer more than the faintest prospect of preventing a massacre in the next year or the next decade.

    Our constitutional framework was not designed to facilitate drastic government action. It was designed to prevent it in the absence of a clear and durable public consensus. In this instance, there is none.

    Mass shootings are a horrific problem that is peculiarly resistant to solutions. To a great extent, public policy is impotent. Until the advocates of new restrictions can make the case that they would make a difference, little is likely to happen.

    What answers do they offer? One is reinstituting the federal ban on "assault weapons" and high-capacity magazines that was in effect from 1994 to 2004. Another is expanding the federal background check system to cover private sales. Another is to make it easier to flag people with mental health problems and bar sales to them.

    These are not necessarily wrong, but they are unpromising. Though an AR-15 may be particularly useful for mass shootings, there are many substitutes that fire just as rapidly and use equally destructive ammunition. A ban on high-capacity magazines would be a puny impediment to someone like the killer in Parkland, Florida.

    Mass shooters, Florida State University criminologist Gary Kleck told me, "always use multiple guns and/or multiple magazines, enabling them to easily fire many rounds quickly even if they had only smaller-capacity magazines. And they do not need guns that fire fast, because they do not fire fast during their crimes." The Parkland shooter had multiple magazines.

    A 2013 study of the 1994 law for the National Institute of Justice said, "We cannot clearly credit the ban with any of the nation's recent drop in gun violence." It also said, "Should it be renewed, the ban's effects on gun violence are likely to be small at best and perhaps too small for reliable measurement."

    Even if the law had any positive effect then, it would be far less likely to help today, because there are far more of these guns now. In 1994, Americans owned about 1.5 million "assault weapons." The number is now around 8 million.

    Restoring the 1994 law would not eliminate them. It would only block new sales—and foster new models engineered to get around the new rules. People would be able to keep and buy the "assault weapons" already out there.

    Background checks for private sales would make it harder for felons to acquire guns. But mass shooters have typically gotten their arms legally from licensed dealers as the alleged killer in Parkland did.

    Yes, it might make a difference if the United States emulated Australia by outlawing certain guns and requiring owners to surrender them. Constitutional issues aside, that sort of law couldn't be passed here—or enforced. It belongs in the realm of fantasy.

    Broadening the exclusion for mental health problems would mean penalizing millions of people who pose no danger. It would also deter troubled gun owners from seeking treatment.
     
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    There is an option no one wants to think about. And that is to change the ideology of public school entirely.

    As of now public schools care nothing for anything but test scores. Test scores = money. They spoon feed our children answers and dont teach them to critically think. A critical thinker will assess their current situation, and weigh the consequences of the possible actions they wish to take. A critical thinker who is being bullied, or feels outcast, will brainstorm solutions. Perhaps one solution is go steal dads gun and kill everyone. But a critical thinker will toss that idea out when they realize the only outcome is jail or murder/suicide.

    The typical liberal dult student however doesnt critically think. He acts on emotion. He has been spoon fed answers so when the answer doesnt come to him about why he is an outcast he goes into an ego filled rage. Challenging questions are too hard so he responds with anger. He's afraid his precious ego will never recover without 1 more participation trophy. He remembers learning about survival of the fittest in science class. He listens to hitler's speeches about the more evolved white man. Now our emotional liberal zealot has a purpose.

    Mean while the homeschooled christian kid is learning that he is accountable to a holy God. He recognizes that pride and the ego will cause only destruction. Sure, when other kids make fun of him he's sad. But jesus taught him to pray for them rather than retaliate in anger. He would never even contemplate shooting his peers. He has been taught fundamentally that we are all fearfully and wonderfully made, not a product of being better than the competition. He rrcognizes evolution as a theory, a very poorly supported theory with no real tangible scientific evidence. He prays for the idiots that believe in tge ideology however. Dad is taking him shooting this weekend, to learn how to hunt and support a family. He will probably teach him about the bill of rights and why it guarantees freedoms that other countries werent providing at the time of it's conception.
     
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    What's really changed is the rise of two-income households. Before the 1980s, women worked as secretaries and teachers, mostly. Or they stayed at home and ran the households. During the Reagan years, 24M jobs were created and a massive number of those went to women (all for it!).

    Where parents (mothers) were around to keep an eye on their kids a lot of the time, that role has now been handed off to the schools. The schools are terrible at parenting (and most everything, actually).

    This is not a slap at women working - I'm all in favor of empowering everyone and treating people fairly, period. This is just an observation.
     
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    A very good observation. I too am all for women's rights. (However, i've never subscribed to the idea that someone should have MORE rights than others, based on a previous lack of rights whether that lack was perceived or factual)

    However, lack of parenting is a far more likely cause for the mental health problems developing in kids. Xbox raises them at home and school babysits them when parents are at work.
     
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    Not bad guys!

    I would just add one thing. If you don't want to care for the child properly, and I do mean, mom or dad, then do not bring it into this world. The village does a real poor job of replacing mom when it comes to raising children. It is not like we are short on people and can't afford to reduce the replacements rate.
     
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    I like some of your post Jade.
    However some of it is just as divisive as those who blame Trump, Republicans, or the NRA.
    Until we as a society can get past being divisive, nothing will change.

    Blaming the right, or left will never fix anything.
    Calling republicans a Nazi(or whatever term one wishes to use) is just as dumb as calling democrats cucks(or whatever term one wishes to use).
    There can be no conversation when words like this are said.
    There will only be hostility and people talking at one another.

    Until the average american stops trying to blame others and takes responsibility for kids getting shot in schools. Nothing can change.
     
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    And shame on the teachers and parents that had these kids do a "lie in" you are protesting people breaking the law now. Protests are to tell the government theyve crossed the line. Protests literally mean nothing now. You guys have destroyed a useful tool by being over sensative social cuckstice warriors with no real goals or plan.

    Protesting is literally just a "look at me while i try to go viral" gimmick.
     
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    Jade Falcon Just to piss you off.

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    Thank you for your response.

    When it comes to Gun Control, I blame Democrats and Liberals because they support it based on emotion and the belief that it works, or the idea that it is truly necessary. They do so without ever consulting with a single Joe Average person who is pro-gun, the NRA, or a scholar in the subject of Firearms. And they won't consult with them because they know they'll never win an argument based on facts and rational reasoning.

    Then they forward whatever cherry-picked information to their gullible house-wife and Liberal voters; the same people who can tell me who Rachael Ray had as a cooking guest on her show, or who Paris Hilton is fucking at the moment, or whom wore what to an awards show.......yet they can't tell me who Massad Ayoob, Dave Kopel, Alan Korwin, or even Colion Noir are (Colion happens to be an accomplished Lawyer, as well as being a commentator with his own talk show). All people whom are far more intelligent on the subject of guns than any Democrat I have yet to meet or hear of.

    The Republicans who are supporting gun control right now are doing it because they're weak, and only care about votes instead of sticking to their convictions. But the Democrats are supporting gun control out of willful ignorance, arrogance, and as an appeasement to their base.

    I can forgive (to a point) one, but not the other. Democrats have ALWAYS been the losers on the issue of Gun Control for a reason, and this time is no different.

    I appreciate what you're saying about labeling one side vs the other. I get that, and I agree with it for the most part. But not when it comes to the issue of Gun Control.

    Gun Control doesn't work. And when it comes to this issue, the simple fact is that Conservatives and Republicans have the benefit of the doubt. Democrats don't, and for good reason.
     
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    UncleCliffy'sDaddy We're all Bozos on this bus.

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    Jeez, when it comes to the debate on the firearms issues, you gun nuts sound as overwrought and hysterical as the far left did when Hillary lost to Trump. You completely lose your shit and start trashing a large portion of America who don’t see things see things your way. The irony is truly spectacular, especially when all it is to this point is a debate/discussion, not a done deal like the election was. I suspect that the salty tears of the right are at least as delicious as the tears of the left........funny how it sucks if/when you have to live with results you absolutely cannot abide, eh?
     
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    barfo triggered obsessive commie pinko Staff Member Global Moderator

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    Summary: "I'm right, and people who disagree with me are stupid and evil."

    barfo
     
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    Jade Falcon Just to piss you off.

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    Gee......can't imagine why no self-respecting gun owner listens to people like this.......

    Not stupid or evil. Willfully ignorant and arrogant.

    Only you would take words someone never said and make it fact, barfo. Try and keep up.
     
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    Welcome to barfoland.
     
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    barfo triggered obsessive commie pinko Staff Member Global Moderator

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    Sorry. So let me rephrase it properly:

    Summary: "I'm right, and people who disagree with me are willfully ignorant and arrogant".

    better?

    barfo
     
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    Can you buy armor piercing rounds?

    Can you purchase a Tank?

    Can you buy a bazooka? I think you need a permit.

    All of these are "infringements".

    Your "Right" has already been regulated before.

    All of your rights can be regulated.

    Can you slander or yell fire in a crowded theater?

    Why not? Because the first amendment has been regulated that's why.

    If you can regulate the first you can regulate the second.
     
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