Politics Trump’s support for background check bill shows gun politics ‘shifting rapidly’

Yep. Guns first.

 

What frustrates me is the two sides are so far off.

One sides answer is stricter laws on gun control and extensive background checks.

The others answer is more guns. Lol.

All the while another week, month, year goes by and more kids and teachers are killed and traumatized while we can’t make up our mind. So god damn frustrating. It ain’t about you or your political beliefs at this point, it’s about a solution.

 

These kids are surprisingly well spoken and seemed determine to make a change. Soon they will be voting. Change is coming whether we like it or not.

 

It's impossible to deal rationally with gun people. They've chosen their god, and they welcome the blood sacrifices.

 

I do.

 

Why? Is he trying to kill people with his metal penis?

 

I agree with you, it is not as clear as I would prefer.

I suspect that it is what Madison could get passed by the votes in Congress. This process often screws up the clarity that we should have.
Actually I think the Militia is a secondary issue. I believe Madison really did believe in the right of men to protect themselves and their rights with the force of arms when necessary. A long standing principal in Natural Law.
What we got, was a murky compromise at best. So, I could very much agree with an amendment to the 2nd amendment especially if it gave us clarity.

With Clarity in mind, it should as be clear that the right to defense, is just that for defense. No person has the right to bear arms for the purpose of offensive action. That right belongs only to the Sovereign. This is where I think the true break is in whether a man should own a Machine Gun or not.
The inability to obtain from government a tax stamp in truly ridiculous subterfuge. If we got that far in a civil discussion, I might agree that owning more than four magazines for the same weapon was over the line. Or... maybe.

 

I do.

 

By the way, I think we should allow personal insults on this forum. It's asinine how thinly we veil our insults, and I would much prefer to discuss how I honestly feel about people rather than pretend I don't value their life so much less for their opinions.

 

Nice tolerance.

 

Come for me? To get my assault rifle????

I have a tank because there is no limit to what I can have...right? All or nothing.

 

I honestly find it interesting that so many of the pro gun dudes act like they’re the most patriotic but also genuinely fear that the government will come imprison them if they had no guns. How could you love your country so much but also believe that they would try and kill you if you couldn’t protect yourself?

 

Sorry. I won't stop, but I'll send you thoughts and prayers.

 

As part of “a well regulated militia”. So.......what well regulated militia do these gun owners belong to??? Hell, what militias (well regulated or otherwise) even exist?? Does the National Guard count?? The Second Amendment is the most misinterpreted piece of writing in recent history after the Bible. Funny (or maybe not) it’s the guys who currently hold the guns who are the ones who shout the loudest......and make the most ominous threats at the idea someone might actually come for their guns (an utterly ridiculous and impossible scenario). And that says volumes......