Politics Democrats Don't build dams!

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  1. MarAzul

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    Cities need water commiserate with their population.
    Farms need water commiserate to they size, crop, and ability to get it to the crop.
    Today that means water system operators, or farm hands.
     
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    California needs desalination plants for agriculture....places like Israel rely on them for watering crops...problem is Califonians don't want to see desalination plants from their beach houses.....draining Mammoth Lake and using an aquaduct to move it to LA is not an efficient way to water the state...most of it evaporates in the valleys before it gets used.
     
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    #fakethought...this is how fake news came to being I'm guessing
     
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    I do not believe you need desalination plants for agriculture, just wastewater recycling plants - which are much cheaper than desalination plants. Desalination plants can be used to create drinking water - where recycled wastewater is usually used for agriculture.

    Carlsbad (near where I live) has the largest desalination plant in the country - and I believe it costs about $1K more per acre-foot than reservoir water. Desalination is not cheap.
     
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    They work for agriculture as well..and are currently used for it...I like your idea about recycling plants as well....another agricultural breakthrough recently has been agricultural towers that grow crops using very little land, hence less evaporation...saw some in the Arizona desert that were pretty cool.
    crops vertical.jpg
     
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    I did not know this but isn't the supply much more sustainable from the ocean? Also wouldn't the cost of desalination be cheaper if there were many more plants doing it?
     
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    I do not know. I know what it costs from the desalination plant in Carlsbad. I am not certain why having more plants would make the cost cheaper - I honestly doubt it will, but I am certainly not an expert on this. I guess I can ask my wife if she can explain it to me in layman terms when she is back from her trip.
     
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    I see Santa Barbara is doing this. The parks there have signs in them, grass irrigated with recycled water, Don Not Drink the water.
     
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    There's a bit more to it than this. The Hoover Dam was built to supply water to Vegas and power to Vegas and LA. It's actual use has diverged from the plan. Lake Mead is down 130 feet since 2000.

    The white rock used to be underwater:

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    Back in the '70s, an idea was floated where they'd break off a big chunk of ice from the north or south pole and use barges to tow it to the middle east.

    Seems pretty cheap and a win all the way around.

    I've heard for years and years that desalination is prohibitively expensive. In a rich state like California, they might have money to burn on it.
     
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    Maybe global warming is just government bureaucracy working very slowly. The big chunks are finally breaking off.
     
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    It's a bigger picture, when they dam up creek/rivers, though, that were feeding water to areas that do not have enough water for them to be there in the first place. So like I said, they moved to an area where there isn't sufficient amounts of water in the first place, and created a false water supply.
     
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    Really.
    Well I do not know. I sure do know they are pretty proud of being a Sanctuary County here and 25 % is the local estimate, not mine.
    Dang if I can verify what exactly that is a Sanctuary County. There is not official charter for such. But the word is, they will not let this fellow that ran over the little girl this past weekend get deported. How? I do not know. 1.8 time the legal limit drunk, illegal, drag racing on the street, hit 6 year old, in jail on75k bond. But not going to be deported. Where does this fucking logic come from? I do not know. Fakethought? Seems like no thought to me.
     
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    Me neither. But I do know it is a power burning process. That is why I do not do it on the boat. But I don't need to.
     
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    this...the story makes no sense...so I'm guessing it's guesswork just like guessing 25 percent of the Hispanics are illegal..hence..fakenews
     
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    Agriculture and irrigation have been around for thousands of years. They've been moving water to areas that don't have enough for like, forever.
     
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    Not on the scale that they have in California, Nevada and Arizona.

    There are too many people, legal or not, depending on the limited water supply of California/Arizona/Nevada.
     
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    Yes you are. And I do not "know" what is or will actually happen. I just see the local reports and pass it on.
    But feel free to guess all you like.
     
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    Thanks to the Romans...and the Mayans
     
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    California directs billions of gallons of water from the rivers and snow melt into the sea instead of the aquaducts. I don't think that's entirely true.
     

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