OT Natural Law Vattel to Locke Once the heart of Liberalism.

Ah! But you see, your point is sort of my point in posting this thread. There was a day when the Liberal was telling us how to think! And that was the same message that conservatives want to think today! What happened?

 

Oh I think you ask the wrong fellow. I am not sure at all. As I can only piece it together a little at a time as it becomes visible.
Maybe internationalism and Globalism are the same, not even sure of that.

But it appears Nationalism in any form, is not good. Including a Constitution codifying the law of a single nation, especially when it has code that sets it apart from other nations. But it is all murky to me, not clear at all.

 

I sure hate to thinks so. But in this case, I am not so sure. Dividing issue are, sometimes useful.

 

For a guy so tied to the Constitution, how the hell you can YOU expect others to respect YOUR Second Amendment rights when you are so disrespectful and dismissive of THEIR First Amendment rights? I would assume since the right of free speech was addressed first, it takes primacy over the right to bear arms. When you dismiss the opinions of others out of hand you can’t be surprised or disappointed if/when they do the same to you......

 

moderates happened...and thoughts are not black and white concerning any given issue......what's happening now is that we have to process news feeds minute by minute instead of reading the Sunday paper once a week....people talk about issues that they used to avoid in public situations....politics and religion. My father and his friends gathered to play horseshoes, talk about the weather and baseball....it was understood your vote was a personal thing and not a constant point of contention. Labeling is divisive and mostly counter productive..now, it's what news seems to be....Hatfields and McCoys.....I have tried at length to discuss some of these issues but in your case....anyone who doesn't trust the president or subscribe to his methods is a traitor.....I think that's where you and I lost any conversation....when you accused me of sedition for disliking the president...that's not a liberal telling you how to think, that's a liberal telling you how they think

 

Very good point. We the people are very vulnerable in this environment as we have no represenetives in positions of power, no global system.
Our Constitution only extends to us, the commerce clause has no affect in the Global world.

I notice it big time went trying to plan a boat trip, I can carry weapon to protect my boat, and self here, but damn near no where else. Every where else, you must remain vulnerable to the fucking pirates or they take your weapons. Often jail you. It makes for a crappy world. I do not want to see this country join with that one, where their model is the new norm.

 

Oh, they had their say, and so did I. The 1st amendment gives you no right to be delightful, or even well received.
Now, how about the main point? What happened?

 

I’ve read and reread your original post six ways from Sunday and I’m still trying to figure out what your main point actually is. “Natural” law does not confer the right of gun ownership in any form. I have NO idea where you get the idea that liberals are for relinquishing individual rights. And as far as “internationalism” goes, I personally, as a moderate (and hopefully you understand the distinction) would rather not not go in that direction but, with the world population increasing and the world shrinking due to that increase, along with changes in technology, climate and a plethora of other reasons, it seems we will have no choice but to embrace “internationalism” in the relatively near future whether we want to or not. It’s going to actually come down to the survival of the planet, not just certain countries. But we can continue to drag our heels if iconoclasts like you prefer to out of some weird sense of historical nostalgia, fear of change and/or general recalcitrance........

 

>>> You are correct. It recognizes the right of individual to protect themselves with arms. Our Constitution did not, thus 2nd amendment codified the right that people, having lived with right for many years, have the right bear arms.

>>>I view it especially heinous, that a 20 year old woman in this country, does not have the right to protect herself. This is a reversal of recognizing this right for hundred of years, in spite of right being codified in the Constitution. I can find no one to blame but the liberals that passed the law. Perhaps the judges that interpret this atrocity as not being a grievous infringement.

>>>Now we agree. I am pleased. And if were are forced to joint, then I hope we retain our model instead of assuming theirs. Living with pirates unarmed, would not be to my liking. I suspect you wouldn't either.

 

what does this even mean?

 

This is not true..everyone has the right to protect themselves....the question is whether they'll need as much protection if their attacker can't buy a gun or ammo....as it is...women and men have mace, etc...for protection...some have dogs, some have tasers, will your 20 year old have a gun out before her assailant does? Probably not. Self defense courses for unarmed civilians are everywhere...if it's a concern, your 20 year old should take the course

 

Horse Shit. Her 2nd amendment rights have been infringed. Period.
The natural inherited right we all recognize for centuries have been ignored.

If you are not allow to protect yourself with arms then you have been denied the right of self preservation.
No other way to view this infringement.

 

Ask @Denny Crane, perhaps he can recommend a reading class. Or perhaps guidance on what is not in the 1st amendment.

 

an 18 year old just bought a gun ...an AR15...looks to me like her rights are intact from your lobby....so horse shit is just your inability to adapt or consider change regarding gun laws...it's really that simple...I have no problems with the tools...just the unnecessary ones that throw fire on gasoline

 

Obtuse.

 

fuck your post....you shouldn't lecture about language ability..the book I recommended to you you never commented on ...doubt you actually read it......done engaging anything you bring to the forum...waste of time....too bad really, I admire your boat....great accomplishment...your political constipatition....not so much...your insults...even less. Adios to you.....ask a local to translate.