<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (austingriz @ Apr 14 2007, 03:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Yeah, cause it was a religious war..type of thing...and the opposing peoples occupied it...Chrsitians didnt destroy it cause it proved the Bible wrong...</div>The point I was making initially is that Christianity's clash with science began pretty much at it's inception. It thrust Europe gingerly into the dark ages. Lots of what appears to be faith, but far less knowledge reigned for a millenium.We can still witness that battle today. Intelligent design, abstinence over birth control, evolution... Locally, nationally, and globally - the books don't have to prove the Bible wrong, but the mortal powers behind Christianity (or any other religion) recognize competing ideals. The Bible says God is a jealous God. The same can be said of his shepherds.
The sack of rome is what put Europe in the dark ages. And it wasnt a clash between them...it just happen to be there.
I disagree with your history. But more importantly, I disagree with your characterization of the opposition between science and the Bible. The clash just happened to be there in the formation of modern Europe as it just happens to be obvious today.Jealous shepherds, homie.
[quote name='Something-To-Say' post='332629' date='Apr 11 2007, 10:21 PM']Don't read the bible, that thing is trash. How are we supposed to believe that a man parted the red sea? That a snake could not only talk but trick a woman, who in our society today has way too much power, into being banished from some mystical garden?[/quote]<span style="font-family:Century Gothic">I'd like to know how the sea turned red in the first place... My snake can't talk, but it sure can trick women...</span>[quote name='Something-To-Say' post='332629' date='Apr 11 2007, 10:21 PM']That 2 people created by some super being ended up creating a whole race?[/quote]<span style="font-family:Century Gothic">That makes no sense to me neither... Also, wouldn't all the kids of the two people turn out to be retarded, since they had incest? Weren't the children having sex with one another? That means a brother nailed his sister and then turned around and nailed his mom... Eww...</span>[quote name='Something-To-Say' post='332629' date='Apr 11 2007, 10:21 PM']That people used to live to 500, 700, 900 years old?[/quote]<span style="font-family:Century Gothic">I met a man who was 102 years old. I don't think people would've lasted so long back in the days as they do now... Didn't people die back in the day because of lack of hygiene. People hardly took baths, which led to various diseases due to bacteria. So, basically, it is impossible for people to live to be 1,000 years old.</span>[quote name='Something-To-Say' post='332629' date='Apr 11 2007, 10:21 PM']That Egypt had a plague where the rivers turned to blood, and all the 1st born were killed?That a man named Jonah was eaten by a whale and survived for a number of days then was spit out safely on the shore?[/quote]<span style="font-family:Century Gothic">There's no way water can turn to blood unless someone spills their guts into the water. In other words, that's B.S. MOBY DICK! Naw... That's stupid. The man would have been turned into acid inside the whale's stomach. The only way he'd be spit out safely on shore would be after he became a pile of sh*t...</span>[quote name='Something-To-Say' post='332629' date='Apr 11 2007, 10:21 PM']That a man turned 2 fish and 5 loaves of bread into food enough for 5000 people?[/quote]<span style="font-family:Century Gothic">Hmmm... It's common courtesy to feed your guests. Must've been a large party! But, eh, 2 fish and 5 loaves of bread wouldn't even be enough food to feed 500 people.</span>[quote name='Something-To-Say' post='332629' date='Apr 11 2007, 10:21 PM']That bushes caught fire and started talking? That a guy had ridiculous strength that came from his hair?[/quote]<span style="font-family:Century Gothic">The only time bushes talk is when a rapist is hiding behind them, but I doubt they catch fire before that... Maybe afterward, but before? Nope. I have pretty well-groomed hair. However, I don't receive strength from it. I do get sweaty during hot days, though.</span>[quote name='Something-To-Say' post='332629' date='Apr 11 2007, 10:21 PM']That a man could walk on water?[/quote]<span style="font-family:Century Gothic">I can't even walk on a puddle... My shoes get wet.</span>[quote name='Something-To-Say' post='332629' date='Apr 11 2007, 10:21 PM']That a man was thrown into a pit with hungry lions and not eated or even touched?[/quote]<span style="font-family:Century Gothic">It wouldn't even make sense if a woman got thrown into a pit with horny men and not get eaten out or even touched.</span>[quote name='Something-To-Say' post='332629' date='Apr 11 2007, 10:21 PM']Don't get me totally wrong, the bible has good messages scattered throughout, but the stories are just ... fantastic is the word I'll use.[/quote]<span style="font-family:Century Gothic">I'd use "nonsense," but I suppose I lack vocabulary.. Overall, I don't mean to offend, so calm down BCB and austingriz and whoever the hell else may want to assault me verbally with vulgar words.</span>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (austingriz @ Apr 15 2007, 07:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>All I have to say is your very ignorant about religion..and science for that matter.</div><span style="font-family:Century Gothic">Oh, is austingriz mad? Did Illosophee piss off austingriz and make him realize that god doesn't exist? Good job, Illosophee!</span>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (gentile @ Apr 14 2007, 10:15 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Ancient Egyptians and Greeks were pretty sure that the earth was round when Isaiah was written. A couple hundred years later, a Greek mathemetician proved it geometrically and got down the actual size of the planet. All this knowledge was lost after 400 A.D. when Christians decided to destroy the library of Alexandria, the center of knowledge in the ancient world. Perhaps there were too many books competing with the Bible and this plunged Europe into the dark ages. Science and Christianity have been locked in combat from the very beginning.</div>That's interesting, could you show me where you found that?And to S2S's reply to me, it's not metaphorical. The context... y'know.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>That makes no sense to me neither... Also, wouldn't all the kids of the two people turn out to be retarded, since they had incest? Weren't the children having sex with one another? That means a brother nailed his sister and then turned around and nailed his mom... Eww...</div>Turns out, science proves incest doesny create retarded children.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>I met a man who was 102 years old. I don't think people would've lasted so long back in the days as they do now... Didn't people die back in the day because of lack of hygiene. People hardly took baths, which led to various diseases due to bacteria. So, basically, it is impossible for people to live to be 1,000 years old.</div>science also proves that the oxygen thousands of years ago was almost pure, making humans alot bigger and live alot longer...all has to do with Earths enviroment.Most of the bible is like a metaphor. No you didnt make me mad, or piss me off. You just displayed your ignorance of religion, the world and science itself.
A lot of this stuff won't make sense because you don't believe in God. It's all about the faith in his word. That's why people have a lot of religion disagreements, because the Atheist side just doesn't get it. That's why there's no point in debating religion.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (austingriz @ Apr 15 2007, 07:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Turns out, science proves incest doesny create retarded children.science also proves that the oxygen thousands of years ago was almost pure, making humans alot bigger and live alot longer...all has to do with Earths enviroment.Most of the bible is like a metaphor. No you didnt make me mad, or piss me off. You just displayed your ignorance of religion, the world and science itself.</div>But if the bible is against gays, wouldn't you think it'd be against incest? Though I guess it does support prostitutes...<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (7Goat @ Apr 15 2007, 07:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>A lot of this stuff won't make sense because you don't believe in God. It's all about the faith in his word. That's why people have a lot of religion disagreements, because the Atheist side just doesn't get it. That's why there's no point in debating religion.</div>And most religious dorks are dumb enough to think that man just 'appeared' on earth and some dont believe in evolution, a pretty well proven thing.
austingriz, could you point me to a legitimate site referencing the air in the past being almost all oxygen, causing bigger people/longer living people? What time period was that? Because I know that around 1000 because to 0 AD people lived to about 22-25 on average and were much shorter than they are now
