Event The coming trade war

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How does the trade war end?

Poll closed Mar 9, 2018.
  1. It won't start - this will be like Trumps ban on trans people in the military - just a tweet-fart

    40.9%
  2. It won't actually be more than a ripple - no one will remember it a couple of months from now

    4.5%
  3. It will MAGA - revitalize American manufacturing and the economy will boom

    22.7%
  4. It will bring on a worldwide recession if not depression, and/or military conflicts

    31.8%
  1. MarAzul

    MarAzul LongShip

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    I don't know about Costa Rica, but I can sure see raising the prices on inferior quality Chinese steel stuff, helping the buyers (persuade) here move to the high quality imports like from New Zealand or where ever.
     
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    But on the other hand!

    I like that you call our President, President of ours. Good, I agree.

    Now I know you do not support the man, it is readily apparent. But isn't calling his supporters "Stupid people" close to violating forum rules?
    Sly has judged me as in the top of the class of ridge runners doing this sort of work.

    Are you beginning a push to horn in?
     
  3. barfo

    barfo triggered obsessive commie pinko boomer maniac Staff Member Global Moderator

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    According to the White House, the tariffs would apply to Costa Rican and New Zealand imports also. So I don't see how it helps them.

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  4. MarAzul

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    Depends on how the tariff application description is written and which alloys you cover.
     
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    barfo triggered obsessive commie pinko boomer maniac Staff Member Global Moderator

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    Yes, of course. I guess the administration is hard at work figuring out what they meant to do right now, and they'll let us know soon.

    barfo
     
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    One of the problems with the stuff coming from China is the lack of meeting specs in a consistent way. Like schedule 80 SS pipe, it must meet a pressure carrying psi capacity. So they ship us stuff marked 316L SS but it fails the psi test, so they just re designate it Schedule 40. Well shit it is way too heavy then and lacks the volume capacity in practical usage but it meet specification. Sold way below cost in pounds of steel, sold at a discount. I got one of these section without knowing until I went to actually cut it up and use it. Then I figured it out, what the hell? This is schedule 80 where I needed 40.
     
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    Danged if I know, just guessing about possibilities.
     
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    It may open up other possibilities too. Like some of these fitting are better when made Bronze and then there are possibilities for some plastics too. But cheap ass SS from China makes both non competitive cost wise in much of the market. A good tough plastic snap shakle banging into you in the wind is much better than a cheap ass SS at 3 times the weight but 1/3 the cost.
    So the alternative becomes lost, not available.
     
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    bodyman5000 and 1 Lions, Tigers, Me, Bears

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    Gets difficult reshaping super thin 20 or 22 gauge steel, these cars ain't made like they used to.

    Why I prefer cosmetic repairs.
     
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    Actually when you get down to that thin of stuff, I don't see how it is the right stuff. Time to use some other materials with some inertia to it but lighter weight than steel. Much easier to work and repair. Thinking composited constructed parts here.
     
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    bodyman5000 and 1 Lions, Tigers, Me, Bears

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    It is coming
     
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    Mr. MarAzul: I just want to say one word to you. Just one word.

    Barfo: Yes, sir.

    Mr. MarAzul: Are you listening?

    Barfo: Yes, I am.

    Mr. MarAzul: Plastics.

    Barfo: Exactly how do you mean?

    Mr. MarAzul: There's a great future in plastics. Think about it. Will you think about it?

    barfo
     
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    stampedehero Make Your Day, a Doobies Day Staff Member Moderator

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    china_resources_map.gif I think these guys.
     
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    Looking for information not from media, on Chinese trade practices. http://www.idealtaxes.com/post3097.shtml

    What I find odd, is that I know I have read a list of countries that have tariffs, value added taxes and flat out do not allow our products in. Try to find something on google, and all I get is anti Trump trash..6 pages back ...so much for providing unbiased information.
     
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    Nikolokolus There's always next year

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    It's too bad we don't have any history to fall back on, to judge whether or not this might be a bad idea . . .
     
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    You did read that I hope. Kind of hard to compare 20000 items to two.
     
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    Nikolokolus There's always next year

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    Tariffs in general don't work. It's a stupid policy, especially when the countries you are imposing tariffs on can inflict pain on other parts of our economy that matter a lot more than steel and aluminum production.

    EDIT: and for a country that is as consumer driven as ours is, that imports so much shit from China and other countries, that cost is going to get shunted on to us. This is going to dampen economic output.
     
  18. Lanny

    Lanny Original Season Ticket Holder "Mr. Big Shot"

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    Boeing hardened their rivet holes by pounding them all around the hole repeatedly, a process known as cold worked. It was learned that they had cold worked too many rivet holes on the 747 for many years. They decided to continue doing it. That is another reason why I trust Boeing airplanes. Their wings will NOT come off even under the most stressful situations.

    By the way, did you know that airlines have their own engineers who make changes to their airplanes under the supervision of the FAA? Yep, it's true. I was working in the area where they assemble the cargo doors when one came open during a flight. They found partial human remains in at least one of the engines. People were thrown to their death while wearing their seat belts. Chairs and all went out where they fell thousands of feet or were ingested into the engine. Our cargo doors were as strong as strong could be. I'm going to assume that some airline decided they could make a change to the Cargo doors. That or they didn't follow the guidelines to prevent rust or crazing.
     
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    Lanny Original Season Ticket Holder "Mr. Big Shot"

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    Chinese stuff, I agree, but what about Canadian steel or European steel?
     
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    Horn in? Not my intention.

    His supporters are not part of this forum and are fair game as public figures.
     

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