Event The coming trade war

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How does the trade war end?

Poll closed Mar 9, 2018.
  1. It won't start - this will be like Trumps ban on trans people in the military - just a tweet-fart

    40.9%
  2. It won't actually be more than a ripple - no one will remember it a couple of months from now

    4.5%
  3. It will MAGA - revitalize American manufacturing and the economy will boom

    22.7%
  4. It will bring on a worldwide recession if not depression, and/or military conflicts

    31.8%
  1. MarAzul

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    That was a weak attempt at a chuckle Lanny.
    But there are supporter in this forum.
     
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    Did you read this? http://www.idealtaxes.com/post3097.shtml

    Negotiating a better trade position with these guys is crucial. Their economy is far to strong to ignore their egregious trade practices. To take a stance on TWO ITEMS is not the end of the world, regardless of MCLSD and their ilk say.

    Just the fact that he is willing to take a stand is huge.
     
  3. MarAzul

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    >>> I do too. I got to point where I would not get on a Lockheed aircraft. I knew Boeing did extensive cycle time stress testing. It was readily apparent to me
    that Lockheed had not done as much as needed when those rear engines were breaking off.

    Boeing actually shook a few planes apart to get the data on component metal fatigue. Lockheed relied much more on computer analysis alone for awhile.

    Yeah, and some don't. Those turn into real junk. One of my trips to Europe, a return flight from UK to New York, was on one of the original 747's. Pan Am bought the first batch and one of them was my ride. Holy shit! that thing was loose everywhere, I mean rattles all over the place, real nerve racking. I think that was the year Pan Am shut their doors. Just as well because I was not going to do one of those again. Not Boeing's fault though, lack of maintenance by Pan Am. But you know, I do not think Pan Am lost any one of that first batch of 747s,
     
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    There are times and places where nothing might be better than posting senseless drivel. Your post above is one of those times.
     
  5. MarAzul

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    bodyman5000 and 1 Lions, Tigers, Me, Bears

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    I've learned so so so much from you in this thread. Thanks for keeping me informed while I skip by all @MarAzul stupid engineering mumbo jumbo.
     
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    bodyman5000 and 1 Lions, Tigers, Me, Bears

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    I flew first class from Portland to Vegas on united 6 or 7 years ago. Don't remember the plane except that it sounded like it would explode at any second. The flight attendants buckled in and one turned to the other and said "I hate this plane"

    FUCK ME
     
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  8. MarAzul

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    I thought you needed another chance to respond. Econ101 was a little shallow.
     
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    Took a military hop from DC to VA on an old DC3. The thing looked like it should have been used for spare parts. Nylon mesh seats and all. The thing was not running well when we boarded and of course the weather was stormy so you know we had to lose an engine and limp in. I have been on fifty year old float planes, landed on mud puddles where wing tips serve as brakes, but that DC3 scared the shit out of me, swear to God, the landing was dancing on the chalk of being a crash. Get off the plane om the far end of the runway, and their are emergency vehicles and a tow rig to pull the plane. About ten of us standing around stunned, and the pilot says, meh, standard ops when we lose an engine.

    Needless to say we all went for a drink.
     
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    bodyman5000 and 1 Lions, Tigers, Me, Bears

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    Bombed my old 97 grand marquis to work doing 75 on the freeway on a Friday morning. Friday afternoon I back the car out of the spot and start to turn. Front balljoint comes apart and the wheel jams into the fender. Lucky mother fucker. Almost died of heat stroke pressing the new joint in at the parking lot. Middle of summer
     
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    I got a lift in one with seats like that, an RB17, real junk. Geez, I learned to just hate flying, I avoid it like the plague even now.
    The only planes I ever felt secure in were new 747s and 767s. Too many near disasters in the rest of the lot. The L-1011 being the worst by far.
     
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    Yeah, but do you not feel like one luck SOB, having this go down at 2 miles an hour? I had a tie rod fall off the right wheel on an old Ford PU, while I was backing out my driveway. Damn! I was sure it was divine intervention.
     
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    Seems to me Trump is addressing a real and important issue. I'm not sure I agree with his approach, but none of his predecessors have done much about it.

    China is a creditor nation. They buy our bonds that we have to issue to pay for Obama's (and all his predecessors, but mostly his) debt. Sure, we take in a little bit of their cash = ~$1.2T at any given time, but we're sending them $400B in trade surplus and we're sending them interest on their $1.2T, too.

    China has long been known to steal our intellectual property. There are even fake Apple Stores in China that steal every idea for making such stores. They steal our movies and resell them so our movie companies make $0. They steal designs for our high tech and make cheap clones and dump those here. Their economy is literally based upon slave labor. Only 1/3 of their people are considered middle class. Our trade deficit with them cannot grow indefinitely, or it will consume our entire GDP. Last year, it grew by 8%, far greater than the rate of inflation.

    The $400B in trade surplus funds their entire military budget and then some. Meanwhile, we have to punish our own citizens with taxes (it's called a tax BURDEN for good reason) to pay interest to them and to cover our military expenses.

    It began under GHW Bush, and became a problem under Clinton, and it's grown without any plan on our part.

    The only good thing for us is that the shit we buy that's made with Chinese slave labor is dirt cheap, which does improve our standard of living. But at what cost?

    The cost of using US (Union!) labor is higher prices. But we get what we really want, right? Fair wages for people who work, and better jobs and less need for dependency on food stamps.

    Those who oppose what Trump's trying to do surely support slave labor and sending all that money to China, right? Or at least tell us what you would do instead that addresses these real issues.

    Like I said, I'm not sure I agree with tariffs. On the other hand, Trump's economic agenda has been remarkably good.
     
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    Hang on! We are going for a ride! But then maybe not. The discussion just got underway.
     
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    oh look a trade thread without any posts by BGD.
     
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    Fuck yeah I was lucky. It was literally 3 seconds of operation time when it fell apart. I figured the heat held it together on the freeway and then it cooled.
     
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    Lanny Original Season Ticket Holder "Mr. Big Shot"

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    Hey, I walked by the jumbo jets that they checked for compression/decompression every day on my way into the building and on my way to my car to go home, where we built those things. They would run those tests thousands of times trying to figure out where the fatigue would present a problem first.

    Like I say, I feel very safe in a Boeing airplane. I helped build the best damn planes in the world and we were all proud of them!
     
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    Lanny Original Season Ticket Holder "Mr. Big Shot"

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    I had the linkage to my brake pedal come apart while I was driving on Hwy 99 in Tigard. Had to use my emergency brake to stop the car. Thank God, I was just starting up from a traffic light so I wasn't going too fast.

    Another time my floor mat got stuck on the gas pedal and the engine was racing with my foot hard pressed on the brake. Took me half a minute to figure out what was going on and that I wasn't going to crash.
     
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    Lanny Original Season Ticket Holder "Mr. Big Shot"

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    Better to not do anything than to do the wrong thing.

    The China issue is real and needs to be addressed but what we need is a precision rifle and not a scatter gun.
     
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    funny, I am not a fan of "Me Too" stories, I drove my Mountaineer home the other night like I have foe a few years. It has been whining a bit, and of coarse I have been putting it off. Thinking that it could be a CV , not all that worried. So I get home after the 15 mile drive and as I turn in the drive it starts the big clunk..grind grind grind thing...I have never had one totally let lose, but the next trip it will make is two blocks away to the repair shop.
    I have no problem meeting God, Just do not want him to make fun of me for punching my own ticket early.
     
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