Zach Collins Post-ASG

Wizard Mentor · Mar 9, 2018

Edit for Update:
18 Games (299 min)
FG: 40-84 = 47.6%
3FG: 12-34 = 35.3%
FT: 11-13 = 84.6%
Reb: 62

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Edit for Update:
17 Games (277 min)
FG: 33-74 = 44.6%
3FG: 12-33 = 36.4%
FT: 10-12 = 83.3%
Reb: 60 (7.8/36 min, hard to assess because he plays with Davis who is a monster rebounder)

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Edit for Update:
9 Games (164 min)
FG: 22-42 = 52.4%
3FG: 8-17 = 47.1%
FT: 7-8 = 87.5%
Reb: 41 (STILL 9.0/36 min, hard to assess because he plays with Davis who is a monster rebounder)

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As detailed in a previous thread, Zach had a very good January after starting the season poorly.
He then reverted to a poor February. However, post-ASG (which includes last 3 games of Feb.),
he's back on track, having finished TWO games now. Here are his numbers post-ASG:

8 Games (148 min)
FG: 19-37 = 51.4%
3FG: 6-14 = 42.9%
FT: 5-6 = 83%
Reb: 37 (9.0/36 min, hard to assess because he plays with Davis who is a monster rebounder)

Considering his defensive prowess, these numbers are very solid. I'm extremely optimistic.

H.C. · Mar 9, 2018

He's playing well and has earned his minutes.
I still don't start him. Let him continue to play the role he's used to and don't ask the rookie to do too much.

swish3 · Mar 9, 2018

Agreed. Zach has been excellent since the All Star Game, and now is on a trend for statistics that show strong development. It is great to see his scoring, especially those percentages, improve to go along with the defensive talent that he is bringing.

Kudos to Zach!

Strenuus · Mar 9, 2018

honkicracker said:
He's playing well and has earned his minutes.
I still don't start him. Let him continue to play the role he's used to and don't ask the rookie to do too much.

Agreed on both counts.

Strenuus · Mar 9, 2018

swish3 said:
Agreed. Zach has been excellent since the All Star Game, and now is on a trend for statistics that show strong development. It is great to see his scoring, especially those percentages, improve to go along with the defensive talent that he is bringing.

Kudos to Zach!

Wait, you write posts not talking about swish3's?

What... what happened to you?

Wizard Mentor · Mar 9, 2018

honkicracker said:
He's playing well and has earned his minutes.
I still don't start him. Let him continue to play the role he's used to and don't ask the rookie to do too much.

He and Ed have both a chemistry and a synergy. Ed packs the paint for offensive rebounding, while Collins floats out
to the 3 point line - they don't get in each others way.

SportsAndWhine · Mar 9, 2018

Strenuus said:
Wait, you write posts not talking about swish3's?

What... what happened to you?

Zach is an ESP: extra swish3 player.

joeBlazers · Mar 9, 2018

In 5 years, will Zach be the best player in this draft?

Wizard Mentor · Mar 9, 2018

SportsAndWhine said:
Zach is an ESP: extra swish3 player.

He's the swish3 player we all hoped Meyers would become.

Nice to see a camera shot of Biebs raising his arm jubilantly when Collins hit a 3. He may be a waste of salary, but he's a good teammate and a good dude.

SheedSoNasty · Mar 9, 2018

Do the Blazers not resign Nurk if he finishes this strong the rest of the year and in the playoffs? Just playing devil’s advocate.

andalusian · Mar 9, 2018

SheedSoNasty said:
Do the Blazers not resign Nurk if he finishes this strong the rest of the year and in the playoffs? Just playing devil’s advocate.

The blazers resign the Nurk unless someone out there gives him the max. There is no question about it

joeBlazers · Mar 9, 2018

Depends on how much money he wants.

Pinwheel1 · Mar 9, 2018

SheedSoNasty said:
Do the Blazers not resign Nurk if he finishes this strong the rest of the year and in the playoffs? Just playing devil’s advocate.

Nurk and ZC play different positions IMO. So yeah you sign him, but no you don't overpay for him since you HAVE to re-sign Ed too.
Hopefully Nurk has a reasonable agent.

swish3 · Mar 9, 2018

Wizard Mentor, I agree. Zach is remarkably improved in his swish3 shooting, and I imagine that comes from some teammate interactions where Meyers is important. What is great is that the Blazers are getting to the magic 15 or more swish3 scoring that can lead to a Championship.

tester551 · Mar 9, 2018

joeBlazers said:
In 5 years, will Zach be the best player in this draft?

I think so.

Rhal · Mar 9, 2018

Pinwheel1 said:
Nurk and ZC play different positions IMO. So yeah you sign him, but no you don't overpay for him since you HAVE to re-sign Ed too.
Hopefully Nurk has a reasonable agent.

I'd like to see something like 3/27 for Ed and 4/44 for Nurk.

KingSpeed · Mar 9, 2018

joeBlazers said:
In 5 years, will Zach be the best player in this draft?

yep

H.C. · Mar 9, 2018

Portland's going to do whatever is necessary to resign Nurk.
Max contract, it doesn't matter.
Portland has the bird rights on every player on the roster.

SportsAndWhine · Mar 9, 2018

honkicracker said:
Portland's going to do whatever is necessary to resign Nurk.
Max contract, it doesn't matter.
Portland has the bird rights on every player on the roster.

If this team is good enough to reach the WCF, Paul Allen will open the wallet.

Pinwheel1 · Mar 9, 2018

Rhal said:
I'd like to see something like 3/27 for Ed and 4/44 for Nurk.

I would give Ed a little more than what they gave Meyers and Hark, or at least the same. (What's an extra mil in the grand scheme of things.

SportsAndWhine · Mar 9, 2018

Pinwheel1 said:
I would give Ed a little more than what they gave Meyers and Hark, or at least the same. (What's an extra mil in the grand scheme of things.

Honestly, I'd hand Ed a blank check and tell him to not spend it all in one place.

H.C. · Mar 9, 2018

SportsAndWhine said:
Honestly, I'd hand Ed a blank check and tell him to not spend it all in one place.

I think Ed is retained, but it's always scary to throw big money at players like him.
Faried, TT are the most recent I can think off the top of my head of players who have similar games to Davis. Yet never lived up to their contract.

Strenuus · Mar 9, 2018

honkicracker said:
I think Ed is retained, but it's always scary to throw big money at players like him.
Faried, TT are the most recent I can think off the top of my head of players who have similar games to Davis. Yet never lived up to their contract.

Davis has always been consistent, though. Only injuries stop him.

Labinot41 · Mar 10, 2018

Ed is 100 times better than trash faried and Thompson

LayneStaley · Mar 10, 2018

joeBlazers said:
In 5 years, will Zach be the best player in this draft?

Second best

LayneStaley · Mar 10, 2018

Now that our first round pick looks like it will be in the high 20s I wonder if we should of sent it somewhere for a SF?

Wizard Mentor · Mar 10, 2018

1) Zach has almost become a "solid NBA player," and I'm hopeful he can get there by the time the playoffs start.
Right now, he's still inconsistent.

2) His comfort level has clearly increased, and that's been huge.

3) He meshes well with Ed Davis.

4) I've been saying all along that he's a 2-way player, and I think we're starting to see that. In particular, I
think he's become a solid 3 and D player.... which is exactly what you want when you have stars like Dame and
CJ on the team already.

5) He still has weaknesses, and the refs still hate him, but it's fun watching him improve.

6) Depending on what happens in the offseason, it's reasonable he becomes a starter midseason next year.

7) His PER is still only at about 8, but I honestly don't know if that's a low usage thing or not.

edit: 8) Dude doesn't become old enough to have a drink until NOVEMBER.

BrianFromWA · Mar 10, 2018

Pinwheel1 said:
I would give Ed a little more than what they gave Meyers and Hark, or at least the same. (What's an extra mil in the grand scheme of things.

In the grand scheme of things? 6.25M, depending...

DameLill379 · Mar 10, 2018

I want to resign Bazz too. Those 3 Guard line ups are effective.

PtldPlatypus · Mar 10, 2018

Earlier in the year, Nurk's poor start seemed to lower his value in the upcoming free agent market. Now with Davis and Collins becoming more prominently featured late in games, will that further suppress his value? Nurk's been great defensively, and increasingly more efficient and consistent on offense, but I wouldn't be surprised if his teammates' performances are costing him money.

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