Zombie FBI Press Conference on Hillary Clinton

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  1. Lanny

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    They were in a facility that was particularly difficult to defend and the ambassador was warned of this.

    For God's sake, the ambassador was a personal friend of Hillary. Why on Earth would she not want to save his life?

    Did you not hear her say that the first she was told of what was going on was shortly before the ambassador was murdered and there was nothing she could do.

    Try listening to Michael Morrell's explanation of what happened.
     
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    Then why tell us anything if there's no way to back it up?

    I've had more than a belly full of far Right fake news to even consider overriding what I hear from senior senior personnel.
     
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    Whoa...couple different issues.

    First, I don't know where in the Command Authority the "stop" order came. But there was a "stop" order. It wasn't a "lack of a 'go' order". EUCOM and AFRICOM have procedures in place for stuff like that that doesn't need national command authority for. If you say Hillary didn't know anything was going on until it was over, I'm probably ok with that. Dubious, but I'll give benefit of the doubt. I wasn't with her.
    My beefs with Hillary about Benghazi are that I feel she was a big player in the cover-up/obfuscation/disinformation effort. They knew what it was, and they didn't want to have "American boots on the ground in Libya", even when things went bad. She backed the administration (probably in her personal best interest), even though friends of hers were killed. She went along with the absurd lies coming out from "senior" officials, including Susan Rice, and didn't say "Actually, that's not true. It was a strategic decision made by the President/whoever to not escalate the war in North Africa, and if that means that we had some guys killed, that sucks" rather than "stupid YouTube videos killed our brave State Dept personnel!" Then we she was caught in some of the lies, she kept with them, even going so far as to give the brilliant "why does it even matter?" response. I'll tell you why it does to me (and you probably understand this, if you were Army in wartime):

    One of the basic fundamental principles by which our all-volunteer military fights is the concept that we don't leave people behind. We have teams in place just in case an airplane gets shot down, or a helo crashes, or a boat sinks. We do other stuff to know where our people are when they're in trouble, so that we can go get them. In the Code of Conduct we memorize that we "will keep faith with our fellow prisoners" if taken POW knowing that our government is going to come for us somehow. That's what helps guys go do really hard stuff behind lines full of, if not "bad guys", "not good guys". And the National Command Authority either didn't have the information (dubious) or deliberately sacrificed those people on the ground. Because assets for extraction were available. And quickly.
     
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    Because most people would want to at least listen to people who've been there, rather than parrot a talking point. Whether or not you believe me, I don't much care. But you now have a piece of information from a first-hand account, so you can't claim ignorance of the facts anymore. Now it's based on your judgement and whether your biases overcome it.
     
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    Ross Perot hired his own team to get his people out of Iran when Khoemeini took over....it doesn't always happen that way...Carter left them out to dry
     
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    Special case that they were contractors. And Bull Simons was a badass who absolutely believed that you don't leave people behind, even at the risk of his own behind (he'd been retired for a few years at the point he helped Perot).

    Even in the case of LBJ/Nixon and the Hanoi Hilton, we kept trying to devise ways to get people out of there. Son Tay (also, coincidentally, a Simons operation) was an attempt to get POWs home after a couple of years in captivity. At extreme risk to the forces going in for them. Hell, Bowe Bergdahl is responsible for a classified number of woundings of special personnel that went after him, thinking that he'd been kidnapped. When I was running around Helmand Province basically alone and unafraid, I knew that I had ways to phone home if needed. I had frequencies to helos that would no-questions-asked come get me if I got wounded. And it gave me the freedom to do some stuff that I look back on now like "WTF was I thinking? Oh yeah, we needed that info."
     
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    Such insight. :cheers:
     
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    All 3 Clintons are charity fraudsters who are going to jail. :cheers:
     
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    She explained this, Marzy, if you'd bothered to listen.
     
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    I "donate" plenty. At the point of a gun.

    No thanks.
     
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    Horse shit!
     
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    Meanwhile, real investigation into the only actual collusion with Russia we know of continues.

    https://saraacarter.com/ex-british-...er-fbi-told-secret-court-something-different/

    Ex-British Spy Knew Who Funded Dossier; FBI Told Secret Court Something Different

    Former British spy Christopher Steele was informed months after accepting the job to compile a dossier on then-candidate Donald J. Trump that the Hillary Clinton Campaign and the Democratic National Committee were paying the bills but that’s not what the FBI told the secret FISA court when it sought a warrant to spy on one of Trump’s campaign volunteers.

    This bit of explosive information was revealed in an expose on Steele by The New Yorker’s Jane Mayer but the implications for the FBI are profound. Why? Because the bureau explicitly stated in its Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Application to the secret court that Steele was unaware of who backed Fusion GPS, the firm which hired him, for the research.

    Steele, however, claimed in the expose titled Christopher Steele, The Man Behind the Trump Dossier that he did know who was paying his bill.
     
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    Pushing the line there Lanny. No need to display ignorance just to insult people.
     
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    The thing that gets me about Clinton/Obama handling Benghazi, is all the toeing the line done by senior official supporting these two.

    If you look at that video, you must dismiss it out of hand. No way does any sane man get his ass worked up to go set up a mortar position over that poorly done video. It is just hokum.

    The warning signs were all over the place that trouble was about to happen and these people even ignored long standing principals and tactic use to protect our people in bad ass foreign places. No assets available!!!! Well shit, under the circumstances they should have been found and deplored days earlier, even so there were two Burke class Destroyers at sea north of Benghazi, about 9 or 10 hours full speed away from the Gulf of Sidra. I looked up at the time.

    I also used Google earth to set up a possible support mission by Destroyers and a shore party team to support those guys. This is on my computer at home so I can't show it now. But it is 5700 yard from a Destroyer's likely support position in the Gulf, to the Consulate. 68oo yard to the anex.

    This is in direct fire support range of the 5"62 rifles on board a Burke class ship. Real fucking bad news for a mortar position.

    Such tactic is not a new invention, it has been done before. I don't give a damn what the Senior spokesman said, history tells another story.

    The reason none of this was done, should be obvious to every American with common intelligence. We do not want an incident! Well shit, they committed a horrible sin instead.
     
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