<div align="center"> <span style="font-size:24pt;line-height:100%">@</span> April 10, 2007 - 7:00 pm ET</div> <span style="color:#009900">Boston Celtics</span> <span style="color:#000000">(23-53)</span> <span style="color:#000000">PG</span> <span style="color:#009900">Rajon Rondo</span> <span style="color:#000000">SG</span> <span style="color:#009900">Allan Ray</span> <span style="color:#000000">SF</span> <span style="color:#009900">Gerald Green</span> <span style="color:#000000">PF</span> <span style="color:#009900">Ryan Gomes</span> <span style="color:#000000">C</span> <span style="color:#009900">Kendrick Perkins</span> <span style="color:#000000">Key Bench Players:</span> <span style="color:#009900">Sebastian Telfair, Leon Powe, Kevinn Pinkney</span> <span style="color:#FF0000">Atlanta Hawks</span> <span style="color:#FFCC00">(28-49)</span> <span style="color:#FFCC00">PG</span> <span style="color:#FF0000">Tyronn Lue</span> <span style="color:#FFCC00">SG</span> <span style="color:#FF0000">Solomon Jones</span> <span style="color:#FFCC00">SF</span> <span style="color:#FF0000">Marvin Williams</span> <span style="color:#FFCC00">PF</span> <span style="color:#FF0000">Shelden Williams</span> <span style="color:#FFCC00">C</span> <span style="color:#FF0000">Lorenzen Wright</span> <span style="color:#FFCC00">Key Bench Players:</span> <span style="color:#FF0000">Anthony Johnson, Slava Medvedenko, Salim Stoudamire, Royal Ivey</span> Injury Report <span style="color:#000000">BOS:</span> <span style="color:#009900">Ryan Gomes is a gametime decision (right elbow)</span> <span style="color:#000000">BOS:</span> <span style="color:#009900">Delonte West is a gametime decision (ankle)</span> <span style="color:#000000">BOS:</span> <span style="color:#009900">Paul Pierce will not play (elbow, knee, foot, eye)</span> <span style="color:#000000">BOS:</span> <span style="color:#009900">Al Jefferson will not play (sore knee)</span> <span style="color:#000000">BOS:</span> <span style="color:#009900">Wally Szczerbiak is out for season (recovering from ankle surgery)</span> <span style="color:#000000">BOS:</span> <span style="color:#009900">Tony Allen is out for season (torn ACL/MCL)</span> <span style="color:#000000">BOS:</span> <span style="color:#009900">Brian Scalabrine is out for season (strained left hamstring)</span> <span style="color:#000000">BOS:</span> <span style="color:#009900">Michael Olowokandi is out for season (fractured bone in left foot)</span> <span style="color:#000000">BOS:</span> <span style="color:#009900">Theo Ratliff is out for season (recovering back surgery)</span> <span style="color:#FFCC00">ATL:</span> <span style="color:#FF0000">Joe Johnson will not play (strained right calf)</span> <span style="color:#FFCC00">ATL:</span> <span style="color:#FF0000">Josh Smith will not play (suspended)</span> <span style="color:#FFCC00">ATL:</span> <span style="color:#FF0000">Josh Childress will not play (right foot fracture)</span> <span style="color:#FFCC00">ATL:</span> <span style="color:#FF0000">Speedy Claxton will not play (left knee)</span> <span style="color:#FFCC00">ATL:</span> <span style="color:#FF0000">Zaza Pachulia will not play (sprained left ankle)</span> Who To Watch Out For <span style="color:#009900">Ryan Gomes</span> <span style="color:#000000">Season Stats: 11.9 ppg, 5.7 rpg, 1.7 apg</span> <span style="color:#000000">As A Starter: 12.9 ppg, 5.9 rpg, 1.8 apg</span> <span style="color:#009900">Gerald Green</span> <span style="color:#000000">Season Stats: 10.1 ppg, 2.5 rpg, 1.0 apg</span> <span style="color:#000000">As A Starter: 14.7 ppg, 3.5 rpg, 1.6 apg</span> <span style="color:#FF0000">Marvin Williams</span> <span style="color:#FFCC00">Season Stats: 12.6 ppg, 5.2 rpg, 1.9 apg</span> Rookie Watch <span style="color:#000000">BOS:</span> <span style="color:#009900">Rajon Rondo</span> <span style="color:#000000">Overall Selection: 21</span> <span style="color:#000000">Season Stats:</span> <span style="color:#009900">5.8 ppg, 3.7 rpg, 3.6 apg, 1.6 spg</span> <span style="color:#000000">As A Starter:</span> <span style="color:#009900">9.4 ppg, 5.8 rpg, 5.7 apg, 2.5 spg</span> <span style="color:#000000">BOS:</span> <span style="color:#009900">Leon Powe</span> <span style="color:#000000">Overall Selection: 49</span> <span style="color:#000000">Season Stats:</span> <span style="color:#009900">3.6 ppg, 3.2 rpg</span> <span style="color:#000000">BOS:</span> <span style="color:#009900">Allan Ray</span> <span style="color:#000000">Overall Selection: Undrafted</span> <span style="color:#000000">Season Stats:</span> <span style="color:#009900">5.8 ppg, 1.5 rpg</span> <span style="color:#000000">BOS:</span> <span style="color:#009900">Kevinn Pinkney</span> <span style="color:#000000">Overall Selection: Undrafted</span> <span style="color:#000000">Season Stats:</span> <span style="color:#009900">5.0 ppg, 1.7 rpg</span> <span style="color:#FFCC00">ATL:</span> <span style="color:#FF0000">Shelden Williams</span> <span style="color:#000000">Overall Selection: 5</span> <span style="color:#FFCC00">Season Stats:</span> <span style="color:#FF0000">4.8 ppg, 5.0 rpg</span> <span style="color:#FFCC00">ATL:</span> <span style="color:#FF0000">Solomon Jones</span> <span style="color:#000000">Overall Selection: 33</span> <span style="color:#FFCC00">Season Stats:</span> <span style="color:#FF0000">2.9 ppg, 2.1 rpg</span> <span style="color:#FFCC00">As A Starter:</span> <span style="color:#FF0000">7.3 ppg, 3.0 rpg</span> <span style="color:#009900">Boston's X-Factor</span> <span style="color:#000000">Development</span> <span style="color:#009900">At this point, these games are for player development and evaluation. I just want to see the young guns play hard and show us something.</span> <span style="color:#FF0000">Atlanta's X-Factor</span> <span style="color:#FF0000">Marvin Williams</span> <span style="color:#FFCC00">Season Stats: 12.6 ppg, 5.2 rpg, 1.9 apg</span> <span style="color:#FF0000">No JJ, no J-Smoov, no Childress, no Zaza, no Speedy. Marvin has to take over offensively.</span> <div align="center">Key Matchup vs. <span style="color:#009900">Gerald Green</span> <span style="color:#000000">vs.</span> <span style="color:#FF0000">Marvin Williams</span></div> <span style="color:#000000">Two freak athletes. Gerald had a great game last time we were in Atlanta, let's hope he can do it again (he needs to after the stinker he had in Indy the other night).</span> CelticBalla's Extra Thoughts/Notes So many people sitting out, jesus christ. CelticBalla's Prediction We should win this one. This Atlanta team without JJ, Smith, Childress, Claxton, and Zaza? We should definitely win this one.
CelticBalla, you forgot to add Solomon Jones to the lineup.I feel that Rondo is going to have a BIG night. He's going to take advantage with all the missing players from the Hawks, and going to score at least 15.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Trail_Blazer @ Apr 10 2007, 03:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>The C's will have 25 wins by season's end dammit! </div>so long as it's not 26 it's allll good :winkglasses:I'm really hoping Gerald does something with this playing time. He needs to have a good shooting game and explode one of these few remaining nights.If he can get hot early, Rondo should feed him all night.If he's not, Rondo should take more shots.Allan Ray should enjoy his time starting and playing a lot.With everyone back healthy next year, he's gonna be 10th/11th man again.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CelticFan @ Apr 10 2007, 04:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>so long as it's not 26 it's allll good :winkglasses: I'm really hoping Gerald does something with this playing time. He needs to have a good shooting game and explode one of these few remaining nights. If he can get hot early, Rondo should feed him all night. If he's not, Rondo should take more shots. Allan Ray should enjoy his time starting and playing a lot. With everyone back healthy next year, he's gonna be 10th/11th man again.</div> Paul Pierce, Al Jefferson, Tony Allen, Wally Szczerbiak, Rajon Rondo, Delonte West, Kendrick Perkins, Ryan Gomes, Gerald Green, Leon Powe are all surely ahead of Ray. Telfair is better, and Scal is ahead of Ray as well. Then you add our lottery pick plus the fact that the 32nd or 33rd pick in this draft is a better player than him, Ray will not be the 10th/11th man. He could get cut.
I love Rajon Rondo.The kid is absolutely f*cking dynamite.I really really can't wait to see a TA/Rondo back court. I'd love nothing more than that.
Some good moments, but overall, I'm pretty disgusted that we blew a 13 point lead and lost to the HAWKS (without their top players, as well). Doc pulled a bit of a tank job in the end of the game as well, once again, by limiting Perk/Gomes/Rondo's minutes late in the game. The defense was horrible in the second half, nobody was aggressive enough offensively other than Green/Powe in the second half, and the C's were outworked by a long shot on the glass. Again, I'm in complete disgust that the Celtics lost this game, and blew a 13 point lead. Player-by-Player Analysis Gerald Green was sensational tonight. He was scoring in many different ways, which was the most promising thing about it. He didn't settle for outside shots, he was really attacking. He displayed his quick/long first step and blew past people, he knocked down the mid-range jumper, he was connecting from deep, he got out in transition, he was drawing contact, he was finishing with loud dunks, and he had his swagger going. When Gerald gets his game face on, and he gets that swagger, it's his night. That happened tonight, and it was great to see. Hopefully this confidence carries over for these last 5 games. Rajon Rondo had yet another excellent night (as he should have, going up against the likes of Atlanta's guards). In the first half, his penetration was beautiful and he was finishing nicely at the rim, in traffic. He played good defense, he rebounded as usual, and he made smart decisions. More importantly, he didn't turn the ball over at all in this game. This kid is a player. Leon Powe had a very productive night as well. Sure, he had some trouble finishing again, due to the fact that he goes up too strong, but he still had a good game. I don't care what his FG% was tonight, he was working hard. He was banging his body around and disrupting Atlanta's bigs, he was a monster on the offensive glass, he was going up strong and getting to the free throw line. He's going to have a long career in the NBA if he continues to do this (which I think he most certainly will). Kevinn Pinkney did a nice job tonight, as well, in my opinion. The kid can play in this league, I wouldn't be surprised at all if he makes it on an NBA roster next season. He is about 6'10'', he can play both positions, he can shoot the ball from mid-range very well, and we even saw him hit a 3 tonight. He hustles and he's athletic. Chances are, he won't be playing for the Celtics next year, but I do believe that he can make it on an NBA roster. Allan Ray played a ton of minutes tonight. He didn't have his best game, he had trouble getting a clean shot off. It's a good thing that he didn't hesitate, however. Atlanta did a good job of contesting all of Ray's shots, but he never hesitated even if a Hawk was contesting the shot. That's all you want to see in a young shooting specialist like Allan Ray. Ryan Gomes didn't have his best night, but you've got to tip your hat to him for fighting through his elbow injury and playing when his team needed him. I'm glad he stuck it out. Same deal for Perk tonight, he is under the weather and he has flu-like symptoms, but he came out and played tonight anyway. Granted, he only played 15 minutes, but I'm still happy that he gave it a go. It's unfortunate that Telfair didn't follow up on his great past 2 games, especially Saturday night in Indiana. He just wasn't aggressive enough. He did pull up and hit a couple mid-range jumpers (one nicely done on the break), but he needed to attack more, like he did in Indiana. Confidence is the biggest key for Bassy, and I think once he missed his first 2 shots, he was too passive. That can't happen, especially at this point in the season. Let's hope he can bounce back tomorrow night. Player Stat Lines <span style="color:#009900">Gerald Green: 33 points (career high), 4 rebounds, 3 assists on 12-22 FG, 4-5 3FG, 5-6 FT Rajon Rondo: 16 points, 5 rebounds, 8 assists, 2 steals on 8-11 FG Leon Powe: 19 points, 7 rebounds (6 offensive) on 4-14 FG, 11-13 FT Allan Ray: 8 points, 3 rebounds, 2 assists, 2 steals on 3-9 FG, 2-4 3FG Kevinn Pinkney: 7 points, 3 rebounds, 1 assist, 1 steal on 3-5 FG, 1-2 3FG Ryan Gomes: 7 points, 3 rebounds, 1 assist, 1 steal on 3-10 FG, 1-3 3FG Sebastian Telfair: 4 points, 1 rebound, 2 assists, 1 steal on 2-6 FG, 0-2 2FG Kendrick Perkins: 2 points, 1 rebound, 1 assist, 1 block on 1-1 FG</span> Next Game: Tomorrow night (4/11/07) at home vs. Philadelphia at 7:30 pm ET. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (yankshater213 @ Apr 10 2007, 08:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I love Rajon Rondo. The kid is absolutely f*cking dynamite. I really really can't wait to see a TA/Rondo back court. I'd love nothing more than that.</div> Rondo/Pierce with Durant at the 3 would be decent as well.
...obviously. It all depends I guess. We'll have to see. I still think Rondo and Allen would be ridiculous together back there. But like you said, him and Pierce with Durant would be spectacular as well.Like I said though, all we can do is wait.
Didn't see the game last night so a few observations and some questions?Love seeing Green's stat line. over 50% shooting 4-5 3's... "It's NICE! I LIKE!" <-- Borat Style Rondo is an excellent rebounder for a PG.I see Lue scored 26 on 10-16 shooting, was Rondo on him most of the night?when it comes to Gomes & Powe, both are basically undersized PF's. Having one player like that is okay, but I don't think you can carry 2 undersized PF's.Who would you keep out of the 2?Is Perkins really hurting right now or is he not being aggressive enough?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CelticFan @ Apr 11 2007, 08:19 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Didn't see the game last night so a few observations and some questions? Love seeing Green's stat line. over 50% shooting 4-5 3's... "It's NICE! I LIKE!" <-- Borat Style Rondo is an excellent rebounder for a PG. I see Lue scored 26 on 10-16 shooting, was Rondo on him most of the night? when it comes to Gomes & Powe, both are basically undersized PF's. Having one player like that is okay, but I don't think you can carry 2 undersized PF's. Who would you keep out of the 2? Is Perkins really hurting right now or is he not being aggressive enough?</div> 1. A lot of Lue's points came in the 2nd half, mostly the 4th quarter, where Rondo didn't play extended minutes. It's mostly Allan Ray's fault. 2. Who would I keep, Gomes or Powe? Is that a serious question? Gomes without even thinking about it, wow. 3. Perk didn't play much because he still has the flu.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CelticBalla32 @ Apr 11 2007, 12:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>1. A lot of Lue's points came in the 2nd half, mostly the 4th quarter, where Rondo didn't play extended minutes. It's mostly Allan Ray's fault.2. Who would I keep, Gomes or Powe? Is that a serious question? Gomes without even thinking about it, wow.3. Perk didn't play much because he still has the flu.</div>1. giddy up2. lots of people seem to be on Powe's jock (not specifically talking about just this site) but he seems to be to raw vs Gomes to me. I think he should be gone, unless someone is offering something of value for Gomes3. okee dokeethanks for the info :worthy:
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CelticFan @ Apr 11 2007, 02:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>2. lots of people seem to be on Powe's jock (not specifically talking about just this site) but he seems to be to raw vs Gomes to me. I think he should be gone, unless someone is offering something of value for Gomes</div> I don't know where you're getting that from at all. Sure, people are happy about Powe playing well as of late, but I don't think any Celtic fan would choose Powe over Gomes. We all know Gomes' value to the team, he's the most consistent player on the team, and in fact - he's a lot of people's top 5 favorite on this team. I don't know where you got this whole "Gomes vs. Powe" idea from. Also, I don't think Powe has to go at all. Powe definitely deserves to be on this roster next year, and he should. Just because we have Gomes, that doesn't mean Powe has to place on the team. If you haven't noticed, Gomes has been playing a lot of SF this year as well, and he has extended his range a ton. Powe will be a nice 11th man or so next year. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>thanks for the info :worthy:</div> :dribble: No problem.
Yeah, Powe is an animal, but Gomes is clearly the better and more valuable player. Powe is great coming off the bench and is good for some boards and a few hustle plays. While Gomes is perfectly capable of starting and playing 40 minutes a game, getting you pretty nice numbers if he has to. Love both guys, if I had to choose one or the other, definitely Gomes, but I love "The Powe Show" as you call him CB32 as well, and I'd love to see him on next years roster as well.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CelticBalla32 @ Apr 11 2007, 03:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I don't know where you're getting that from at all. Sure, people are happy about Powe playing well as of late, but I don't think any Celtic fan would choose Powe over Gomes. We all know Gomes' value to the team, he's the most consistent player on the team, and in fact - he's a lot of people's top 5 favorite on this team. I don't know where you got this whole "Gomes vs. Powe" idea from.Also, I don't think Powe has to go at all. Powe definitely deserves to be on this roster next year, and he should. Just because we have Gomes, that doesn't mean Powe has to place on the team. If you haven't noticed, Gomes has been playing a lot of SF this year as well, and he has extended his range a ton. Powe will be a nice 11th man or so next year. :dribble: No problem.</div>I get Gomes vs Powe as they are both really short PF's and as I stated it's alright to have one such player on your team who's a 'hustler' but having two just means you have bad personal on the team.The Celtics are a 'just make the playoffs' team right now but you can't seem to get Celtic fans on any board to bad mouth a player save maybe Wally (and even some people see value in his broke ass) and perhaps Theo (but at least his contract his up and he's trade bait).Gerald Green is well Green and who's to say if he'll ever turn the corner and become a consistant player and a starter.Perkins is the oldest of the young players and yeah yeah he's be hurt this year, but the dude has been a dud. a below average center who's good for 4-5 fouls a game and the occasional good gameTelfair has flopped, and this is around the time young players have to show they have developed or improved enough to stay in the league. Dude still shoots below 40% (and don't give me the beginning of the year, the year is 82 games long)too many people look at this team through rose coloured glasses and won't admit most of these players are not gonna be all that good.we have at best 4 decent to good starters with a big hole at the center posistion.Paul & Al are great and very good.Paul Allen is very good some nights and average other, but a worthy starter at SGRondo has shown great potential in his 1st year and if he has the desire to be better will be a very good starter for this team. How good he can be will take another 2-3 years to show IMO.West is ideally a 3rd guard who can play both posistions, but if Green is the future he should be the 6th man playing the swing roll thus moving west down the bench.which leaves Powe and Gomes. You only really need one energy guy so one has to go.If the C's were a talented bunch, losing Paul would indeed lead to losses, but not 18 in a row.This team needs to get better, making a few trades this summer (VETERANS!!)and getting a solid draft pick and getting healthy (don't count on Wally or Theo, they never are healthy) will make this team a possible 6-8 seed IMO.summer of 2008 they'll have some young important contracts coming up (re: Jefferson) so they'll have to keep him and add another playoff experienced vet to move up in the standingsYou've said yourself that Ainge needs to make moves this summer. In order to do that, he needs to correctly trade away the players that won't develop much beyond their current level and get something decent in return. It's up to him to not trade away the next Billups or Joe Johnson.
Well, it wasn't our best game. We shot the ball atrociously from the outside and the defense was weak. We should have pushed the tempo all night, I wanted a much better effort on the glass and on the defensive end. Some of the young guns did well, but the team effort wasn't to my liking. To sum up the game on one note: Steven Hunter scored 20 points. Player-by-Player Analysis Gerald Green had another solid night, like I predicted. He did make a couple sloppy herky-jerky moves, and he did go through a stretch where he missed a ton of jumpers in a row, but he did have a very solid game on the offensive end. He hit a couple tweener shots that I liked, he had an awkward (yet good looking) floating dunk where he glided upwards, he did make a couple solid passes. He really needs to toughen up around the basket though. Ryan Gomes had a nice offensive night as well. In the first half, he was great. He really took it strong and got to the line in the first half. In the second half, that jumper was falling from 3 and mid-range. If he keeps improving his outside jumper, he's the next Shane Battier, I'm telling ya. I really wanted Gomes to get on the defensive glass a hell of a lot more tonight, however. He also had a ton of trouble with Steven Hunter, who is also athletic and is a legit 7 feet tall. Rondo had yet another solid night. We already know he can do everything (except shoot), but it's so comforting that he's doing it on a consistent basis as of late. He made some spectacular athletic plays tonight, moved the ball well, and brought the all out hustle/grit on both ends. Perk and Powe were the only two guys on this team that actually rebounded tonight, and I applaud them. It was also great to see Perk able to handle the big minutes tonight, he must be feeling a lot better. Allan Ray was on fire in the first half. He's that type of player - when he's on, he will score in bunches and nail a lot of jumpers from the outside. It was nice to see him shoot well tonight and bring some energy. Sebastian Telfair did a very solid job tonight as well, before he got hurt in the 4th quarter (mild ankle sprain). He really pushed the tempo nicely and did a great job of hitting the open shooters and moving guys on the perimeter. He struggled with his mid-range jumper tonight, but he hit a couple three's and did a good job running the offense. I hope his ankle is ok. Player Stat Lines <span style="color:#009900">Ryan Gomes: 26 points, 2 rebounds, 1 assist on 7-15 FG, 3-9 3FG, 9-9 FT Gerald Green: 22 points, 5 rebounds, 2 assists, 2 steals on 10-21 FG, 0-5 3FG, 2-2 FT Rajon Rondo: 12 points, 3 rebounds, 5 assists, 1 steal on 4-8 FG, 0-1 3FG, 4-4 FT Allan Ray: 15 points, 3 assists on 6-12 FG, 3-7 3FG Kendrick Perkins: 5 points, 11 rebounds, 2 assists, 1 block on 2-5 FG, 1-2 FT Sebastian Telfair: 6 points, 1 rebound, 6 assists, 1 steal on 2-7 FG, 2-4 3FG Leon Powe: 6 points, 5 rebounds, 1 assist, 1 block on 2-4 FG, 2-2 FT Kevinn Pinkney: 2 points, 1 block on 1-2 FG</span> Next Game: Friday (4/13/07) at home vs. Milwaukee at 7:30 pm ET. The Battle of the Ping Pong Balls, Part 2. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CelticFan @ Apr 11 2007, 08:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I get Gomes vs Powe as they are both really short PF's and as I stated it's alright to have one such player on your team who's a 'hustler' but having two just means you have bad personal on the team. The Celtics are a 'just make the playoffs' team right now but you can't seem to get Celtic fans on any board to bad mouth a player save maybe Wally (and even some people see value in his broke ass) and perhaps Theo (but at least his contract his up and he's trade bait). Gerald Green is well Green and who's to say if he'll ever turn the corner and become a consistant player and a starter. Perkins is the oldest of the young players and yeah yeah he's be hurt this year, but the dude has been a dud. a below average center who's good for 4-5 fouls a game and the occasional good game Telfair has flopped, and this is around the time young players have to show they have developed or improved enough to stay in the league. Dude still shoots below 40% (and don't give me the beginning of the year, the year is 82 games long) too many people look at this team through rose coloured glasses and won't admit most of these players are not gonna be all that good. we have at best 4 decent to good starters with a big hole at the center posistion. Paul & Al are great and very good. Paul Allen is very good some nights and average other, but a worthy starter at SG Rondo has shown great potential in his 1st year and if he has the desire to be better will be a very good starter for this team. How good he can be will take another 2-3 years to show IMO. West is ideally a 3rd guard who can play both posistions, but if Green is the future he should be the 6th man playing the swing roll thus moving west down the bench. which leaves Powe and Gomes. You only really need one energy guy so one has to go. If the C's were a talented bunch, losing Paul would indeed lead to losses, but not 18 in a row. This team needs to get better, making a few trades this summer (VETERANS!!)and getting a solid draft pick and getting healthy (don't count on Wally or Theo, they never are healthy) will make this team a possible 6-8 seed IMO. summer of 2008 they'll have some young important contracts coming up (re: Jefferson) so they'll have to keep him and add another playoff experienced vet to move up in the standings You've said yourself that Ainge needs to make moves this summer. In order to do that, he needs to correctly trade away the players that won't develop much beyond their current level and get something decent in return. It's up to him to not trade away the next Billups or Joe Johnson.</div> So, just because Gomes and Powe are roughly the same size and are hustlers, we can only keep one? That's ridiculous. Why? Powe is clearly not on Gomes' level, it's not like this is two young players that we have to decide which one to hand the keys to the car to... it's clearly Gomes. You are the only one who thinks there is a Gomes/Powe dispute.
not so much a dispute, but the need to go out and find a better player.I'm saying any team that carries two undersized hustlers are going to be bad IMO. It's like having 3-4 shoot first PG's on your team (Heeeeeeeello NY Knicks)or 3-4 PF's and no centers (again, how u doin' Knickerbockers) Powe and Gomes do hustle and do the gritty things, but when they come in to back up Jefferson or Pierce, they're a huge drop off in talent and defensive ability. They're too small vs the better PF's in the league and they're too slow vs the quick SF's in the league.Of course Gomes is the better player, he's not a rook. Can anyone see Powe eventually becoming better than Gomes though? probably not, but it's a thought.Seriously CB32, you think the C's should have both these players on the roster next year?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CelticFan @ Apr 12 2007, 07:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>not so much a dispute, but the need to go out and find a better player. I'm saying any team that carries two undersized hustlers are going to be bad IMO. It's like having 3-4 shoot first PG's on your team (Heeeeeeeello NY Knicks) or 3-4 PF's and no centers (again, how u doin' Knickerbockers) Powe and Gomes do hustle and do the gritty things, but when they come in to back up Jefferson or Pierce, they're a huge drop off in talent and defensive ability. They're too small vs the better PF's in the league and they're too slow vs the quick SF's in the league. Of course Gomes is the better player, he's not a rook. Can anyone see Powe eventually becoming better than Gomes though? probably not, but it's a thought. Seriously CB32, you think the C's should have both these players on the roster next year?</div> 1. You think Gomes and Powe will be "bad" players? I'm convinced that you don't watch basketball. Ryan Gomes is a very solid player right NOW, and he's clearly our most consistent player. Powe may never be a "good" player, but he will on an NBA roster for a very long time and he will find his way into a rotation for spot minutes. 2. Powe is too small to guard PF's, huh? Why? Because his height is listed at 6'8''? If it were listed an inch and a half higher, you wouldn't say a word. F*ck an inch, F*ck the size. The fact of the matter is, Powe has disrupted opposing bigs plenty of times. He's an unbelievably strong guy and he is an excellent rebounder. He's fine. 3. Gomes can play both forward positions effectively. You haven't watched a Celtics game in the past 2 years if you don't think he can play the 4, and you haven't watched a Celtics game since January if you don't think he can play the 3. 4. Powe will not be a better player than Gomes. 5. Yes, I most certainly think both Gomes and Powe should be on this roster next year. No doubt in my mind. They are two totally different players. You think they are similar because they are both the same height, but that means absolutely nothing.
aww you like everyone on this 23-55 team, you're just a blind nuthugger.yes Powe is more of a power player than Gomes as Gomes has expanded his skills.both are good 7th or 8th men on any team and that's about it.they don't deserve any more mins.If you're a good team, you're not looking to get rid of your bench players too much.If you're a bad team, you gotta bring in some fresh faces.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CelticFan @ Apr 12 2007, 03:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>aww you like everyone on this 23-55 team, you're just a blind nuthugger. yes Powe is more of a power player than Gomes as Gomes has expanded his skills. both are good 7th or 8th men on any team and that's about it. they don't deserve any more mins. If you're a good team, you're not looking to get rid of your bench players too much. If you're a bad team, you gotta bring in some fresh faces.</div> Powe is not a 7th or 8th man right now, no way. He's not that good. I think you are overrating Powe immensely. You are talking about him like we are ruining his career by not playing him all the minutes Gomes gets. This is such a ridiculous argument you started, it isn't even funny. You are the only Celtic fan that actually thinks that we can't have both of them on the team next year. On a championship team, yes, Gomes is an excellent player off the bench. The 2nd or 3rd guy off the bench. However, like you stated, we are a 23-55 team. We are not a championship team. On a championship team, Gomes is a 7th-8th man... Powe is inactive. That's why your argument is so ridiculous.
well the goal of every team is to be a championship contender or to improve enough to be challenging for one.personally I don't give a rat's ass about Powe, but you always get someone saying yeah Powe did well last night yadda yadda when he has a 5 point 8 rebound game.Gomes is more versatile and will contribute to just about any team.I just see them as both essentially playing the same role as first banger to come off the bench and hustle and as a change of pace too.You don't need both guys to fill that role just one.I sincerely don't think Gomes is stealing mins from Powe and never did I insinuate that.as for record, I'm looking to the future and next year, this team needs a semi-overhaul to take the necessary steps to be a strong playoff contender.Also I never said Gomes or Powe are bad players, they're role players which is good to have. Having 2 role players that fulfill essential the same role on one team, means it's a bad team.and if you DON'T think they basically fill the same roll (NOTE that does NOT mean they play exactly the same way) then please enlighten me on the differences of what's expected from them.... cause neither will be big time scorer's or defensive presences. Energy guys who bang and try to shake things up is what I see.
