<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Actuallly, his work ethic is very, veryquestionable. I know that for a fact.</div><span style="font-family:Arial">Do you follow him into the gym and watch his workouts? It's your opinion that he is not a hard worker, it's not a 'fact'</span>
Wow some of you guys are being harsh on Odens scoring ability. This is if they reach their peak which means Oden will not only have great size and athleticism downlow but also a very polished post game.1. Greg Oden- 27.5 ppg, 13 rpg, 3.5 bpg2. Kevin Durant- 30+ ppg, 11 rpg, 2 bpg, 2 spg3. Brandan Wright- 24 ppg, 10 rpg, 2 bpg4. Yi Jianlian- ?5. Spencer Hawes- 18 ppg, 8 rpg, 4.5 apg6. Joakim Noah- 13 ppg, 10 rpg, 2.5 bpg7. Al Horford- 19 ppg, 11 rpg, 2.5 bpg8. Corey Brewer- 17 ppg, 5.5 rpg, 4 apg9. Jeff Green- 16 ppg, 6 rpg, 6 apg10. Roy Hibbert- 17 ppg, 10 rpg11. Mike Conley- 18 ppg, 8 apg12. Hasheem Thabeet- remember this is what he'll put up if he reaches his peak- 10/11/3.513. Al Thornton- 17 ppg, 7 rpg14. Acie Law- 15 ppg, 5.5 apg15. Thaddeus Young- 23 ppg, 6.5 rpg16. Julian Wright- 17ppg, 7.5 rpg, 4 apg, 2 bpg, 2 spg
1. Greg Oden 25/12/3 and great defense 2. Kevin Durant 32/9 3. Brandan Wright 22 and 10 4. Yi Jianlian 16 and 8/9 5. Spencer Hawes 17/9 6. Joakim Noah 13/9 7. Al Horford 17/10 8. Corey Brewer 16/7 9. Jeff Green 1410. Roy Hibbert 16/1111. Mike Conley 17/712. Hasheem Thabeet very hard to say13. Al Thornton 14/814. Acie Law 18/615. Thaddeus Young 17/7great draft class
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (valo35 @ Apr 14 2007, 01:14 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Horford is a better rebounder than Noah is, so I definately think that Noah is going to have less rebounds per game than Horford come time for the NBA level. I also do not see Noah scoring any more than 10 points per game at any point in his career. He isn't bulky enough to get hardly any type of position to catch the ball and dunk, nor is he skilled enough to score away from the basket. I really don't see Noah putting on much weight either, he might put on some, but not enough to really bang alot down low. I like Noah because he's a Gator, but I do not see him doing much at all at the NBA level. In his prime I'm thinking maybe 8-9 points per game, and about as many rebounds per game.As for people putting Durant as having 11 rebounds per game, I don't see that happening either. I think he is to skinny and fraile, and with the way I think he is going to play in the NBA, I do not see him being in position very much in the NBA for the rebounds due to him playing away from the basket compared to how he plays in college. I'm thinking the 7 or 8 a game as being more around his rebounding statistics.</div>I agree with Horfords a better rebounder, but in the NBA, Joakim Noah only job will be to rebound and defend. But I think Horford will be ask to do other stuff like a 1st or 2nd scoring option...you see this with alotve players in the NBA.
While it is true he will be a bigger scoring option compared to Noah, that rarely ever actually takes away from their rebounding, especially on the defensive end. There are plenty of guys that are high scoring options on their teams, and also grab alot of rebounds. Garnett, Howard, Boozer, Duncan, Bosh, Jefferson are all top 1 or 2 scoring options on their teams, and grab alot of rebounds.
True, but you look at players like Haslem, Tyson Chandler, Drew Gooden etc(who Noah will most likely be like..more like Haslem), they arent looked upon for alotve shooting etc. I just htink Noah is going to be a double-digit rebounder...and frankly, I think Noah is better than Horford at rebounding.
Horford gets position better, is stronger, boxes out better and can move laterally better to get the ball for longer rebounds than Noah does. Horford is just a better rebounder than Noah, and that's why he outrebounded Noah on average this season, while being just as big a part of the offense.
Rebounding is very different from college to NBA. For exmaple, I can garuntee Durant will never average double-digit rebounds in the NBA.
Durant is a different case, at Texas he played in that 2-3 zone alot which left him near the basket so that he could grab alot more rebounds defensively because he was in position more. Come NBA time he won't be that close to the basket to be in good position to get alot of rebounds, so he is going to have a harder time grabbing rebounds like he did in college. I agree, he will only ever average around 7-8 rebounds.For low post players it's different, both Noah and Horford played where they are pretty much going to be playing in the NBA. Both closer to the basket, where they are going to be in position. So those rebounding numbers should translate over. Furthermore, the fundamentals of rebounding don't change from college to the NBA. Horford is once again stronger, establish's position for the rebound better, boxes out better, can move to get long rebounds better, gets the ball at the highest point better. He is a better rebounder than Noah.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BALLAHOLLIC? @ Apr 14 2007, 02:16 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><span style="font-family:Arial">Do you follow him into the gym and watch his workouts? It's your opinion that he is not a hard worker, it's not a 'fact'</span></div>Fine, it's my opinion - but you can't change it
This will be hard due to the fact that we haven't seen any of these guys play one NBA minute. 1. Greg Oden 22 PTS 12 RBDS 3 BLKS 2. Kevin Durant 30 PPG 8 RPG 4 APG 3. Brandan Wright 18 PPG 9 RPG 4. Yi Jianlian 16 PPG 7 RPG 5. Spencer Hawes 18 PPG 8 RPG 6. Joakim Noah 16 PPG 7 RPG 7. Al Horford 14 PPG 12 RPG 8. Corey Brewer 21 PPG 4 APG 9. Jeff Green 23 PPG/5 APG/5 RPG 10. Roy Hibbert 18 PPG 10 RPG 11. Mike Conley 19 PPG 9 APG 12. Hasheem Thabeet 10 PPG 10 RPG 13. Al Thornton 15 PPG 6 RPG 14. Acie Law 14 PPG 6 APG 15. Thaddeus Young 20 PPG 7 RPG
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Legacy @ Apr 15 2007, 08:30 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>You guys who put Oden under 23 ppg 14 rpg and 4 bpg are nuts.</div>Or maybe you just overrate him? There have been a lot of big men busts and Oden wasn't that impressive in his first year of college. I would say he'll be a good player, a top 3-top 5 center, but he won't be as incredible as some think.My predictions: 21, 12, 3, 2 assists, 3.5 turnovers
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ASUFan22 @ Apr 15 2007, 10:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Or maybe you just overrate him? There have been a lot of big men busts and Oden wasn't that impressive in his first year of college. I would say he'll be a good player, a top 3-top 5 center, but he won't be as incredible as some think.</div> Yeah, your right ASUFan, because of his one season at OSU at the age of 19 he's going to be a dissapointment....give me a break....A top 3 or 5 center? The only competition he has is Yao Ming, he's clearly more talented than any center in the league right now....if he's not the 2nd best center in the league, somethings wrong. Go and look at the freshman statistics for 'legendary' NBA centers in college....not much of a difference from what Oden did this season. Not to mention the wrist injury. I watched Oden around 8 times this year, the guy is going to be a man-child in the NBA when he refines his post game.
I'll just do Durant and Oden, and the numbers are not necassarily what they can do in 1 seaosn, but rather their top stats throught various seasons.1. Greg Oden 24 ppg, 12 rpg, 3 apg, 3 bpg2. Kevin Durant 33 ppg, 8 rpg, 4 apg
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BrewCityBuck @ Apr 17 2007, 12:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Yeah, your right ASUFan, because of his one season at OSU at the age of 19 he's going to be a dissapointment....give me a break....</div> Another thing, he wasn't disappointing to me at all. He played half the season with his left hand and actually shot 62 or 63% from the FT line with his LEFT hand (unheard of for a center, really), he was dominant defensively and on the glass, he showed me that he gets outstanding position, and OSU didn't utilize him offensively anywhere near as much as they should have.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GArenas @ Apr 15 2007, 01:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>This will be hard due to the fact that we haven't seen any of these guys play one NBA minute.1. Greg Oden 22 PTS 12 RBDS 3 BLKS2. Kevin Durant 30 PPG 8 RPG 4 APG3. Brandan Wright 18 PPG 9 RPG4. Yi Jianlian 16 PPG 7 RPG5. Spencer Hawes 18 PPG 8 RPG6. Joakim Noah 16 PPG 7 RPG7. Al Horford 14 PPG 12 RPG8. Corey Brewer 21 PPG 4 APG9. Jeff Green 23 PPG/5 APG/5 RPG10. Roy Hibbert 18 PPG 10 RPG11. Mike Conley 19 PPG 9 APG12. Hasheem Thabeet 10 PPG 10 RPG13. Al Thornton 15 PPG 6 RPG14. Acie Law 14 PPG 6 APG15. Thaddeus Young 20 PPG 7 RPG</div>I'm sorry but I just can't see Noah averaging 16 ppg in a season in the NBA. His offensive game is unimpressive to me. Also, I think Hasheem's stats are pretty accurate. I don't see him doing to much in the NBA.
Noah won't average 16 ppg in the NBA. I'd say about 8 to 9 points. He is going to step back and be more of a Shane Battier and let the other players do there thing.
