Doing that, you would have to dive deep into cultures and the communities. There are a lot of factors when it comes to the actual sentencing. I am positive there have been cases where there were racists involved but to chalk it up these days as some race thing, is pretty dismissive of the statistics and facts. A lot of poor communities of all colors tend to commit more crime and be in and out of the system. The problem is these numbers are much higher within the black community. There is a lot of inner city violence. Saying that isn't racist, it's just a fact. If you don't believe me you can watch a few documentaries. Flint Town on Netflix, Louis theroux did a documentary on the inner cities of milwaukee wisconsin, all the way to the interrupters and that being about Chicago violence. I think what we have been seeing is people passing this off as some sort of systemic racist system just because there are a lot of blacks in prison but people refuse to look at why they are in prison. People act like they just get thrown in the system for nothing, literally like they were plucked off the street for doing nothing and thrown in. That's not the case at all. Most certainly as I have said race has played a part in it unfairly but I think for the most part across the board, this is a deeper issue people refuse to acknowledge. A lot of violence in inner cities people ignore with daily retaliations that occur. I think America needs to find a way to deal with that situation because I hate seeing young people getting killed for no reason and that's what is happening, also people getting shot by stray bullets in these neighborhoods. It's dangerous. Louis theroux has also done a documentary done in Philly.
Let me ask you a simple yes or no question. Do you think it is likely that if a rich black kid was in the same situation the result would have been the same?
This was a dviss quote "It's funny how the same USUAL suspects come in here and don't even attempt to answer the question. They just get defensive about their whiteness and go into their usual bullshit enclave of security. Unable to step outside of their own thinking. Same people all the time. It's never anyone different." uhhhh usual suspects of what? defending whiteness? what is he even talking about here? always claims we are unable to step outside our own thinking when in reality he is the one that never wants to step outside of his own thinking and see the other point of view. Defend whiteness from what? that was the most confusing comment. We are replying to his thread and disagree with him, just because of that it means we are defending whiteness. That's why trying to hold a conversation with Dviss is so damn difficult.
I've already acknowledged white privilege a million times. I know it is real and he knows I know it. Why don't we have a brutally honest discussion about race and stereotypes? There are some white people stereotypes I'll acknowledge that are very maddening.
We could play the different scenario game all day. Would it be the same? who knows. Maybe? maybe not? do you know? do you wanna sit here and go through another 5 pages arguing over a scenario that isn't even happening? I don't see anything productive here, just another divisive ass thread that nobody will call out except for a couple people
So if you know it exists, why do you jump into the thread with the counter/example. If you want to have a deeper philosophical discussion then perhaps starting it off in an antaginizing way might not be productive.
I'm not trying to be antagonizing. This one dumb kid isn't a good example of the racism in this country. Dviss started the thread with the title that assumes it is fact that it was because he was white.
Well somehow you, dviss, me, and everyone else in this country who isn’t racist has to figure out how to have honest discussions. That might mean @dviss1 start a thread like this with a less accusatory title like “would there have been a similar outcome if the perp was black?” Or perhaps it might mean you and others look at a thread like this and try to wade into a deep yet civilized discussion on the matter.
By crandc- quickly followed by the rest. If you disagree, then byball means continue. But you at times want to be combative and other times want a deep discussion. I honestly like your posting and read almost all of them. Not meaning I agree with them, but I can see a person behind the posts that I like. Same with dviss. You know very well I can be an ass-hat on this board too, so this is aimed at me too. If we want the same conversations every time then we can act the same as we always do. If we want to elevate the discussion then multiple people are going to have to choose to elevate their posting. I’m included.
We don't even agree on language though. The word racist doesn't mean the same to Dviss as it does me. The words whitesplain and mansplain are used all the time. That would be the source of my combativeness. I also remember the different rules created for different subjects. Rape is rape but killing a trans woman is apparently worse than a guy killing his cis girlfriend in a domestic dispute. If I say that raping a passed out drunk woman isn't as bad as grabbing a girl jogging in a park and attacking her I'm "parsing" rape. Raping an unconscious woman is still a disgusting vile act that deserves prison, that doesn't mean something can't be worse. But some people seem to have a set of ground rules they expect me to adhere to and I won't so it seems to me that they get angry about it.
I agree with you on some of those points, some I don’t. I would gladly participate in a thread you start about those topics, How do we have productive conversations with different definitions? Or something like that.
You talking to me? The reason that I'm not likely to really participate in these discussions fully is because there are too many people that need to participate for anything we agree on to have any real impact. On a personal level I try to treat everyone I meet the same way. I don't have any power over anyone. In the grand scheme, if I'm in a room with one hundred random people I will ultimately decide that 70 of them are stupid. In politics that number would stay at least that high. If I were to get involved with politics on even a local level after working 50-60 hours every week of my life I wouldn't have a life.
You don't ever try to hold a conversation. You And @bodyman5000 and 1 IMMEDIATELY jump to your corner and don't ever even CONSIDER what I'm talking about. It's your modus operandi. Y'all need every fucking molecule of information before you'd even CONSIDER racism could be a factor. BM openly admits he'd never trade the way he's treated by society for the way we are, but needs CSI forensic science to agree systematic racism exists... That literally makes no sense... It's tiring... And it never fails. It's the same response from y'all every fucking time. Look I'm done. I'll just look at this side of the forum for the science shit or maybe the music thread... I'm done talking about race with y'all... My epiphany is that It's SUCH a waste of my time... I honestly don't know why I try... Why the fuck do I EVER try to talk with you about this stuff??? It'sfucking pointless. Y'all are fine with ME not bringing up shit this RACIST ASS country, built on the backs of my people, does to us every day... They JUST killed another unarmed black man TODAY.... So I'm good now. I'm done torturing myself tryna get y'all to care. I'm realizing way too late I'm barking up the wrong tree. I'm done bringing up racism to y'all ever again.
To me, there are a different set of rules for rich people in this country. It doesn't matter if you're black or white or blue. The most important color is green. If you're rich, the rules do not apply to you. And even more sad, the gap is growing and growing. The rich keep getting richer, and the rest of us keep getting poorer. This is only going to get worse.
If you didn't blatantly lie about everything at every turn. I click your link and the headline says "metal pipe" I could kill 10 people in minutes with a metal pipe I have at work. If you find the thread about my finding my tools in the homeless camp I took that pipe with me. Now I'll read the rest of the story to find out what happened....
You have shown you don’t care for the police, that’s fine. I advise you to go watch flint town on Netflix if you want some sort of understanding on the police level. You’re the one getting heated, I was just replying to the thread you created and if you don’t like that then don’t post. You know posting this is controversial yet you did it anyway and you’re surprised people have different opinions? I don’t get it. You’re whole post is about “what if this person was white?” So what exactly are you trying to get me to care about. It’s a racially divisive post so I don’t exactly know what you expected. It makes no sense. Imagine me taking stories every day and posting threads talking about different scenarios. It would never end.
