Phoenix is close to being screwed with the money issue. On the court, and off the court, its just smarter to draft Joakim Noah. He fits perfect.
What does the money issue have to do with choosing Noah over Horford? A rookie contract won't hurt us, especially if we can somehow dump that scrub Marcus Banks. If anything drafting Horford gives us a cheaper, more athletic, Kurt Thomas so we can maybe try to get rid of his contract.
I think Horford will be a star..stars make ALOTVE money...Noah will just be a role player, but a very good one. Role players are cheap. Noah is the better pick. Sun fans of all should understand...to many stars is bad. Reasons of the Q Richardson(who was somewhere around a somewhat star...) and Joe Johnson. This sounds weird...but the Suns are too damn talented for their own good...lol.
How long do rookie contracts last? 3-4 years? By that time Marion and/or Nash will be gone or if they resign Nash it will be cheaper. They'll be looking to the future and will rid themselves of some of the older guys by the time Horford gets the monster checks. I'd rather not waste a lottery pick on player with no offensive game and a guy who's not strong enough to do as well defensively on NBA big men like he did with college big men, even though he did nothing against an NBA-sized big man in Oden. We don't need another pushover down low. Horford is a better rebounder and will fare better against big bodies. And with some type of jumper he may actually get some playing time and not be like Millicic on the Pistons which is what Noah could be.
Here is what I would do.Trade #1: Suns trade Atlanta's 1st rounder (#4) & Marcus Banks to either Philly for Kevin Ollie & the #8 pick or Portland for Fred Jones and the #9.Trade #2: Suns trade James Jones, Cleveland's pick (24) and their own 1st rounder to Detroit for Orlando's 1st rounder (16) and fillersTrade #3: Suns trade their 2007 2nd rounder and Golden State's unconditional 2009 2nd rounder to Orlando for a sign & trade deal with Travis DienerDraft:#8 or 9: Nicolas Batum#15: Tiago SplitterRoster:Nash/DienerBell/BarbosaMarion/BatumDiaw/SplitterAmare/ThomasJones/Ollie, Burke, Det filler(s), PiatkowskiThis would help solve two of Sarver's problems. His desire to be fiscally conservative and the fact that he has said the Suns wont use all three picks. By using Atlanta's pick as leverage to trade Banks for a 4-5 pick drop and an expiring contract as well as trading Jones for expiring contracts the Suns would save roughly 13 million dollars in the 08/09 season.
Trading down and getting rid of Banks is fine by me.Like many on this thread I too feel Noah would be a good fit in Phoenix. The main reason being that he doesn't seem to mind being a role player and having less minutes when needed.The Suns will not re-sign Nash after his current contrcat runs out. He will be pushing 36 around then I think and has already indicated he wants to retire then. The Suns could also look to get a PG in the draft, one that would be willing to learn off Nash for a season before starting to take over. I like Barbosa and want him on the Suns team until he retires but he can play SG just as well as the point.
not sure why ASU fan doesn't like Noah on this team.I don't like a lot of what Noah does, but he's a great fit for the suns.He's a glue guy. He's fast enough to run with this team and can finish around the basket. Plus he's pretty good at moving without the ball.He'd be great at help defense and trapping and recovering.He'll rebound and can pass.he's not very good at anything IMO, but he's good at a lot of things. Those little things will add up, with all the talent the Suns already have, they'd probably love having him do all the little things. If he really works out Marion won't have to play as much PF either.
I think Joakim Noah would be a good pick for them. He's a team player, he will play defense, he can run the floor, he's pretty athletic, he can rebound, and he won't disrupt the chemistry either. They could use another big man too.
Here's a scenario no one has brought up. Suns trade the pick, just like they have in the past couple of drafts. Maybe the cost cutting mindset leads them to trading the pick once again.Chances are they won't, but it's not out of the picture.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CelticFan @ Apr 15 2007, 06:10 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>not sure why ASU fan doesn't like Noah on this team.I don't like a lot of what Noah does, but he's a great fit for the suns.He's a glue guy. He's fast enough to run with this team and can finish around the basket. Plus he's pretty good at moving without the ball.He'd be great at help defense and trapping and recovering.He'll rebound and can pass.he's not very good at anything IMO, but he's good at a lot of things. Those little things will add up, with all the talent the Suns already have, they'd probably love having him do all the little things. If he really works out Marion won't have to play as much PF either.</div>Because I see him being a scrub and a wasted pick, but we'll see what they do. There could be lots of interesting things we could do instead of just drafting someone straight up. I'd rather take Horford over Noah, but maybe they'll trade to get rid of Banks like Diawsome said. I would like that. I don't know much about Splitter, but hopefully he can play some defense if we get rid of James Jones.I saw a short video on Batum, maybe you got the idea from ASFN, Diawsome? I wouldn't mind him either.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ASUFan22 @ Apr 14 2007, 03:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>It would be nice if they could maybe trade up with their other two picks to get Acie Law maybe.</div>No, you can't have him. I will burn down Phoenix before he plays for the Suns.
The problem with Noah is that he isn't that good of an offensive player, yes he is a good passer but his jumpshot is horible and the entire Suns offense is based around spacing the court to allow Nash & Amare to work the paint with the pick-n-roll. Guys like Marcus Banks and Noah would get little to no playing time because they do not have the mid range game to allow the Suns to space the court. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Justice @ Apr 15 2007, 10:45 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>No, you can't have him. I will burn down Phoenix before he plays for the Suns.</div>I'm not sure how much interest the Suns would have in Law as he still has a lot to learn about running the point from a playmaking aspect and I am not sure if the Suns would be willing/able to give him to time he needs to develop that aspect of his game. Right now he is more of a score first point guard (see Barbosa) where as the Suns will want someone to come in and run their offense. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ASUFan22 @ Apr 15 2007, 09:30 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Because I see him being a scrub and a wasted pick, but we'll see what they do. There could be lots of interesting things we could do instead of just drafting someone straight up. I'd rather take Horford over Noah, but maybe they'll trade to get rid of Banks like Diawsome said. I would like that. I don't know much about Splitter, but hopefully he can play some defense if we get rid of James Jones.</div>I haven't seen much video of Splitter but from what I have read and heard people say about him is that he is a solid defensive player. Also from what I have read his offensive game seems a bit similar to Amare in that he thrives in transition, is great at the pick-n-roll and works better facing up his opponent rather then backing him down in the post, all of which are things D'Antoni loves to use.
Perhaps a PG. Nash is getting old soon and is going to slow down and won't be his MVP type player soon. Better to fix the problem now since you most likely won't have a high choice for a better player net year. Or perhaps a big man player that can bring defense to the team. A player that likes to hustle for rebounds and is a great defender which can help the team and help make some stop in the middle.
Yeah, getting Law and Noah would be aight, specially if we ditch Banks too(so the money evens out).And Diawsome, screw Diener to hell, he blows.
Travis Deiner doesn't blow, the guy is completely underrated. In my opinion, none of these bigs really work for you other than maybe Al Horford. And Joakim Noah isn't good enough on offense to play or make the system work....So I would just go for Corey Brewer. Shawn Marion's contract is up in a couple of seasons and if you develop Brewer you won't have to worry as much in re-signing Marion. Brewer is pretty versatile and would be great for your style of play.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BrewCityBuck @ Apr 18 2007, 08:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>In my opinion, none of these bigs really work for you other than maybe Al Horford. And Joakim Noah isn't good enough on offense to play or make the system work....So I would just go for Corey Brewer. Shawn Marion's contract is up in a couple of seasons and if you develop Brewer you won't have to worry as much in re-signing Marion. Brewer is pretty versatile and would be great for your style of play.</div>I would be more than happy with Brewer. You put him out there with Bell, Marion & Thomas and you have a solid defensive unit to work with.Right now I would say I believe him to be 3rd on the Suns draft board behind Horford and Wright.
No way the Suns will pick Noah. He has no shot and he has no definition on his body. He is by far the most overrated PG in basketball period. Including the NBA.The Suns COULD trade some guys and there 2 other first rounders along with the Atlanta pick and move up and go for the number 1 pick which the very well could do.I wouldn't be surprised if they did that but I doubt they will. With there 2nd pick after the Atlanta one, assuming we get it, we could and should do after a Guard. Maybe Law if he is still there.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SteveNash4MVP @ Apr 18 2007, 10:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>No way the Suns will pick Noah. He has no shot and he has no definition on his body. He is by far the most overrated PG in basketball period. Including the NBA.The Suns COULD trade some guys and there 2 other first rounders along with the Atlanta pick and move up and go for the number 1 pick which the very well could do.I wouldn't be surprised if they did that but I doubt they will. With there 2nd pick after the Atlanta one, assuming we get it, we could and should do after a Guard. Maybe Law if he is still there.</div>Noah is not a PG he's a C and mainly there for defensive purposes. His job isn't too score. But he would be quite slow for the system that the suns run.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (HoNgKoNgKoBe @ Apr 18 2007, 07:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Noah is not a PG he's a C and mainly there for defensive purposes. His job isn't too score. But he would be quite slow for the system that the suns run.</div>:HAHAHA: Yeah, and Michael Jordan is the most overrated Center ever.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (HoNgKoNgKoBe @ Apr 18 2007, 07:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Noah is not a PG he's a C and mainly there for defensive purposes. His job isn't too score. But he would be quite slow for the system that the suns run.</div>My bad. I ment to put Center. I'm a college bball fan so, I know a lot a bout him. But, he would really slow them down. All he is is just a rebounder and hes good at blocking shots. He isn't a scorer at all. All he can do with the ball is just do dunks and lay ups.
