OT What if we don’t look at an individual case but at trends and statistics?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile...qual-sentences-for-blacks-and-whites.amp.html

 

Are there statistics about sentences for rich vs poor?

 

I haven’t read it yet, but I found this
https://www.researchgate.net/blog/p...e-us-justice-system-for-the-rich-and-the-poor

 

It is certainly possible (likely)that the justice system is biased both against Blacks and against the poor.

 

Well, the first and most obvious example would be a rich person being able to afford one or more qualified lawyers.

A poor person would only have the public defender.

 

So we have several issues that all need to be addressed.
1) a general disparity in the quality of the legal representation based on finances.
2) racism or bias from prosecutors, judges and investigators.
3) general societal economic biases keeping Blacks poorer on average than whites leading to a cycle of more systemic racism.

 

I’m not trying to prove a specific point, I’m just trying to take this discussion away from an example people of any side could dismiss as an outlier.

 

Yes

 

First of all, there isn’t some grand conspiracy to keep blacks poorer. Doesn’t matter what color, generally they stay poor and have, white or black. Once again, I urge you to maybe look at certain communities in this country and just maybe you will see there isn’t this systemic racism thing going on. At this point it’s a culture. Do you listen to the hip hop that’s out now? Do you know anything about the culture? Seems not. I think a lot of black communities need to look within instead of blaming white people. There are a lot of poor white people as well stuck as heroin addicts. That’s on them to figure out. You are giving these communities a way out with excuses when the answers are all there if you truly look.

 

And are the societal economic biases leading to less funding in black or poor neighborhoods, which leads to a poor education, which leads to the cycle perpetuating itself?

I remember reading a story, and I wish I could find it, but some woman personally sent 20 kids to college in a black neighborhood, and her involvement reduced gang related violence and behavior in that area drastically. I wish I could find it again... I'll look around.

edit - I'm not sure if this was the story.... it sounds a little bit like it.

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/26/us/tangelo-park-orlando-florida.html

 

It sounds pretty believable to me.

 

There is a lot of truth in your statement, but how do you think centuries of slavery have played into the accumulated wealth of today's African Americans vs others?

 

I’m not entirely sure and I don’t think anybody else can be entirely sure. We can’t sit and say look guys crime and violence is okay because slavery. That makes no sense. Plenty of black people who care from rough areas or childhoods were able to get out of it and make millions. There are tons of poor white and black people. Yes, it seems it’s just a revolving door but honestly it comes down to education in these areas and broken parents. A lot of poor people just aren’t educated. They keep having kids and in the black communities it’s more prevalent for the father to just bounce and typically raises by single mothers or grandparents. I’m not blaming black or white people, I’m just saying, instead of saying the system is just racist, maybe there is a reason the jail population is mostly black. Why do people want to make excuses for communities when you can hear it in the music and you can see the violence in cities. There is a reason people don’t walk certain blocks. It’s not racism. It’s because of crime. Why are we giving excuses and acting like the black community isn’t littered with violence? Yet when it comes to white people everybody will acknowledge the issues with heroin and opiates which there is a giant issue. It’s like no matter how many prison documentaries or documentaries in general I could point to, certain people that push certain narratives will just ignore the issue and that doesn’t help anybody.

Yes I’m sure there have been racist judges or people on the jury, etc. matter of fact I’m sure of it. However you can’t just chalk up the whole issue to be racism. That’s the smallest part of the issue. Yet nobody wants to really acknowledge the real issues.

 

Interesting and heartwarming story.

I think there is no doubt that poverty and racism are both vortexes that are much harder to rise above because they both negatively influence successive generations.

But both are something that can be overcome but it takes real effort from individuals and society at large.

 

getting stuck in victimhood is not very motivation. Does matter the color, or situation, on cannot use victimization as a way to keep one down and non productive.

 

Okay, everybody's gotta find this pretty funny.

 

The New York Times magazine had a truly frightening story about maternal/infant mortality among African-American women. It's not class; well to do Black women (like Serena Williams, a world class athlete & millionaire who nearly died birthing her child) have far higher mortality than poorer white women. Nor is it education; Black women with advanced degrees have higher mortality than white high school graduates. Nor genetic; African and Caribbean Black immigrant women have lower maternal/infant mortality than African-American women matched for income/education. But their daughters have mortality rates similar to African-American women; the advantage is lost in one generation. Interestingly, among white women teens have higher maternal/infant problems than young adult women but among Black women the opposite. The article concludes that the toxic effects of racism cause physical and emotional stress levels that literally kill black mothers and babies. So-called Right to Life groups, needless to say, are silent on the real killing of babies and mothers.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/11/...o-spot-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news

Of course you could just say the New York Times is fake news and it's just that all Black women are on crack, right?

 

Yes. It most certainly is. It always has been. We weren't even allowed to learn how to read...

 

Own land, enter universities....