What do you guys think we should do with this year's 2nd rounder? It is going to be the 32nd pick in the draft, that is already determined. We could end up getting a very solid player there, really. Guys like Nick Fazekas (who I like, and I think he should be a 1st rounder), Glen "Big Baby" Davis, Sean Williams, Herbert Hill, Jared Dudley, Dominic James, Taurean Green, etc. will most likely be there. Then you think, people WILL slip in the draft, so a guy that most people thought should have been picked in the 25-30 range will probably be there. So, we could get a 1st round talent with this pick. Some people think we should just trade it no matter what, there is no reason to get younger. Other people think that we should keep the pick and get ourselves another decent player at 32. I'm on the fence about this. I think we can get a decent player there, but I also see where people are coming from when they say "Trade it, no need to get younger with the 32nd pick in the draft." What do you think? Also, if you are a guy that thinks we should keep it, what kind of player are you looking for there? You can throw out some names if you want to or just say what position. Or, do you think BPA (Best Player Available) is the way to go?
I think if we can get something of great value for it, we should swing it, otherwise, keep it. We could more than likely get a player of value here, especially with Ainge's nose for talent. Of the guys you listed, Fazekas and Williams would be my top two to get here. Williams is definitely first round talent as well as Fazekas. Williams could be a better fit for our team because of his defensive prowess and rebounding skills, but I definitely think a lot of things can be done with this pick.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (yankshater213 @ Apr 15 2007, 04:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I think if we can get something of great value for it, we should swing it, otherwise, keep it. We could more than likely get a player of value here, especially with Ainge's nose for talent. Of the guys you listed, Fazekas and Williams would be my top two to get here. Williams is definitely first round talent as well as Fazekas. Williams could be a better fit for our team because of his defensive prowess and rebounding skills, but I definitely think a lot of things can be done with this pick.</div> Yeah, Williams is a 1st round talent, but he's an idiot that can't decide between weed and basketball. He cost himself about $1M on his rookie contract and he ruined his reputation. Someone will take a flyer on him because of his unbelievable shot blocking skills, but I don't know if Danny will. Danny and Wyc are all about bringing in good character guys, Williams doesn't fit that mold with his weed addiction and attitude.
I'd LOVEEEEE to see Arron Affalo get drafted in the 2nd round. Doubt it would happen, because we'd probably take a big man. But if we don't take Greg Oden, I could see us going for other big guys like, Nick Frazekas, Hasheem Thabeet (If he's there) and Sean Williams.
I've always liked Sean Williams. His smoking pot is definately a concern and I hate that he chooses to do that. He cost himself money, draft status, and respect. I still love his game though, he is a defensive monster and he was developing some offensive skills. Part of me wants to say so what if he smokes weed? There are tons of guys who smoke weed in the NBA and play really well but then again what if he keeps getting caught like he did in college. Sean Williams will be one of those picks that will be hit or miss. He'll either be great or he will smoke weed all the time and suck.I still think Josh McRoberts will sneak into the 2nd round. If he's available at our pick and we don't use that pick in a trade I say the Celtics should snag him. He has so much talent and NBA brass are downplaying him because Duke had a bad season. Duke was a young team with so many inexperienced guys coming off the loss of JJ Redick. McRoberts has size, skill, and that outside shot that is such a great aspect for a big man. I think he could be what Raef LaFrentz could have been if Raef didn't get injured. If McRoberts puts on some pounds I think he could be a solid player and great 2nd round pick for the C's if he's still around.
I think we need size or best player available.our wing posistions have plenty of players to develop so another project wouldn't be so great.I just pray we don't take Glen Davis. We don't need the second coming of Tractor Traylor or Oliver Miller.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CelticFan @ Apr 16 2007, 09:06 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I think we need size or best player available. our wing posistions have plenty of players to develop so another project wouldn't be so great. I just pray we don't take Glen Davis. We don't need the second coming of Tractor Traylor or Oliver Miller.</div> Big Baby is not the second coming of Tractor Traylor, he actually works hard. He lost 30 lbs. coming into this past season and he has a lot of tools. I think he could make it in the league as a solid guy off the bench.
maybe, but Traylor 'worked himself into shape' to for the draft.I can't readily recall an overweight college player working himself into shape for the NBA and staying that way over a period of time.that said he has the skills to contribute in the league, just like Oliver Miller who hung around for 9 years.It's just that those big players could be so much more if they could drop the 20-30 lbs and keep it off.History says, he'll be a disappointment.Oh and Traylor had more tools. He was a top 10 pick when he was drafted.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CelticFan @ Apr 16 2007, 09:50 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>History says, he'll be a disappointment.</div> Glen Davis is not Oliver Miller. Just because a player similar to him failed in the past doesn't mean that he can't succeed. Why would you say that? These are two totally different people.
I say that because you can't name a single player who's come into the league as an oversized player and lived up to their potential.They play a cardiovascualr game and still can't keep the weight off and it doesn't change when they start getting paid millions.He COULD be the exception to the rule, but the percentages say he'll be an underachiever.and yes every single player is different from any other, and yet here we are on a web site dedicated to talking about teams, players and compairing them to other teams and players....and yes Olliver Miller had more talent than Davis too.very talented shot blocker.was on a very good razorbacks team with Todd Day.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CelticFan @ Apr 16 2007, 10:39 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I say that because you can't name a single player who's come into the league as an oversized player and lived up to their potential.</div> Charles Barkley. Have a nice day.
<span style="font-family:Arial">Charles Barkley wasn't that big coming out of college, he had some bulk but it wasn't bad at all.</span>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BALLAHOLLIC? @ Apr 16 2007, 11:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><span style="font-family:Arial">Charles Barkley wasn't that big coming out of college, he had some bulk but it wasn't bad at all.</span></div>Yeah, he lost like 50 pounds before the draft.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CelticBalla32 @ Apr 16 2007, 11:51 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Charles Barkley. Have a nice day.</div>Charles was bigger than average, but he was a damn freak of nature.He's one of those "never gonna see another player like that" types.It will be interesting in seeing how well Davis adjusts and if he plays much next year.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Big Baby is not the second coming of Tractor Traylor, he actually works hard. He lost 30 lbs. coming into this past season and he has a lot of tools. I think he could make it in the league as a solid guy off the bench.</div>I said that exact same thing CB32 in the NBADraft thread. I said he'd be like a Mike Sweetney, a bulky guy who could come off the bench and everyone was hammering me. BCB thinks he's going to be the 2nd coming of Charles Barkley.
The point was that an overweight, aka "round person" can make it in this league. Knocking Davis and saying "history shows he'll fail" is ridiculous, because Davis isn't those guys. He's his own person, we'll see. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (WELCOMEtotheJUNGLE @ Apr 16 2007, 12:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I said that exact same thing CB32 in the NBADraft thread. I said he'd be like a Mike Sweetney, a bulky guy who could come off the bench and everyone was hammering me. BCB thinks he's going to be the 2nd coming of Charles Barkley.</div> BCB doesn't think he's going to be a star, but I agree with him that he could be a pretty solid player off the bench. Time will tell.
Robert Traylor was a bust, but Oliver Miller was rather productive.I just think if they had been able to take the extra weight off and keep it off, they were both talented enough to be very productive players.To me Davis is in the same vein.As I said, this is a sight were a lot of the discussion is based on compairing players to other players from the same and different era'sTrying to say that compairing him to other talented oversized players is ridiculous is counter to most of what this website does.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CelticFan @ Apr 16 2007, 03:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Robert Traylor was a bust, but Oliver Miller was rather productive. I just think if they had been able to take the extra weight off and keep it off, they were both talented enough to be very productive players. To me Davis is in the same vein. As I said, this is a sight were a lot of the discussion is based on compairing players to other players from the same and different era's Trying to say that compairing him to other talented oversized players is ridiculous is counter to most of what this website does.</div> I just think it's unfair that you are already labeling him the next Ronald McDonald just because players in the past similar to him (although fatter) have failed. Maybe he has the drive, maybe he has the work ethic, maybe he cares enough about the game to keep himself in solid shape so he can have a longer career.
yes, maybe, but my point was using past indicators of oversized NBA players, he won'tI don't have a particular dislike for him and if he succeeds, good for him.I just wouldn't like to see the C's role the dice with him is all.we won't really know until at least 3 years time either way.If he comes in next year and has a hard time adjusting, well he's a rook that's natural and it make take a few years for him to develop.If he comes in and contributes some good rookie numbers right away and is in shape, well lets see if that drive continues for more than a year or two.I was just speculating based on what I've witnessed over the years.I have the same reservations about Spencer Hawes too. (Big white kid who is talented and successful in college, turns out to be a bust or mediocre at best in the NBA)On both cases I could be wrong, it won't be the first time, but those are my thoughts.
