<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (High54Life @ May 23 2007, 09:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>If I were Grizzlies I would do this in a heartbeat, why, because getting the 4th and 5th picks are huge.</div>the bobcats are proof that you need to have veterans around to teach young talent how to win at an NBA level.starting off young gives you hope, but usually not results.Once a losing atmosphere creeps into an organization, it's hard to get rid of that culture without wholesale changes.. It usually involves trading one of those high draft picks has too.so it may sound sweet, but in reality it probably wouldn't be.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (DRob-50-Forever @ May 24 2007, 04:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Trade the pick and Tony Allen to Portland for Aldridge so they can take Conley Jr.</div> Portland is not going to deal LaMarcus Aldridge, and Tony Allen sure as hell has absolutely no trade value right now. If anything, Portland is going to deal Zach Randolph. Also note that it's likely that Conley won't be there at 5. It's a very strong possibility that Atlanta or Memphis takes Conley at 3 or 4.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (DRob-50-Forever @ May 24 2007, 03:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Trade the pick and Tony Allen to Portland for Aldridge so they can take Conley Jr.</div> And watch mid way through the season, Aldridge either has a heart attack or breaks his neck.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BrewCityBuck @ May 24 2007, 08:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>And watch mid way through the season, Aldridge either has a heart attack or breaks his neck.</div> :no1:
Boston Trades Theo Ratliff Gerald Green Delonte West Sebastian Telfair #5 pick Indiana Trades Jermaine O'Neal Darrell Armstrong Thoughts? <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BrewCityBuck @ May 24 2007, 08:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>And watch mid way through the season, Aldridge either has a heart attack or breaks his neck.</div> :HAHAHA:
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CelticBalla32 @ May 25 2007, 07:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Boston TradesTheo RatliffGerald GreenDelonte WestSebastian Telfair#5 pickIndiana TradesJermaine O'NealDarrell ArmstrongThoughts?</div>I'd rather not give up Green since he's the future of the team now, and I've never liked Jermaine O'Neal.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Living_Legend33 @ May 25 2007, 08:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I'd rather not give up Green since he's the future of the team now, and I've never liked Jermaine O'Neal.</div> If you aren't willing to give up Gerald Green in a deal for a veteran All-Star (who is an excellent defensive player, by the way), then what the hell do you expect to get in return? What do you want to trade? Ratliff, Telfair, West, and a bag of Spaldings? We won't get anything for that. Also, Gerald Green is surely not "the future of this team," and if we want to get anything back, we have to trade him. It's that simple. You may not like Jermaine O'Neal, but I think he fits perfectly in Boston. The main reason: defense! He's one of the top low-post defenders in the league, and that doesn't just mean his shot blocking ability. He's a legit 20/10 guy that is also a top notch defender... and he can play either big position. He can score in the post as well as hit the mid-range jumper. I think Jermaine O'Neal would be a near perfect fit. He also hasn't hit 30 yet. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (wolverine30 @ May 25 2007, 07:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>That's the first time CB32 is laughing since the Celtics didnt get the 1st pick.^^</div> Haha, yeah I think it was.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CelticBalla32 @ May 25 2007, 07:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Boston TradesTheo RatliffGerald GreenDelonte WestSebastian Telfair#5 pickIndiana TradesJermaine O'NealDarrell ArmstrongThoughts?</div>That's actually a really good trade. I'd rather not get rid of Armstrong but I gues it'd be okay.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CelticBalla32 @ May 25 2007, 07:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Boston TradesTheo RatliffGerald GreenDelonte WestSebastian Telfair#5 pickIndiana TradesJermaine O'NealDarrell ArmstrongThoughts?:HAHAHA:</div>We still have Telfair? I already thought we got rid of him.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (AiRuPtHeRe? @ May 26 2007, 08:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>We still have Telfair? I already thought we got rid of him.</div> No, we never cut him, and that would have been stupid if we did. We will end up including him in a trade, similar to my idea, as a salary matcher.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CelticBalla32 @ May 25 2007, 10:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>If you aren't willing to give up Gerald Green in a deal for a veteran All-Star (who is an excellent defensive player, by the way), then what the hell do you expect to get in return? What do you want to trade? Ratliff, Telfair, West, and a bag of Spaldings? We won't get anything for that. Also, Gerald Green is surely not "the future of this team," and if we want to get anything back, we have to trade him. It's that simple.You may not like Jermaine O'Neal, but I think he fits perfectly in Boston. The main reason: defense! He's one of the top low-post defenders in the league, and that doesn't just mean his shot blocking ability. He's a legit 20/10 guy that is also a top notch defender... and he can play either big position. He can score in the post as well as hit the mid-range jumper. I think Jermaine O'Neal would be a near perfect fit. He also hasn't hit 30 yet.</div>I realize he'll probably have to go, but I'm just not a big Jermaine O'Neal fan. Even though he's not 30, he seems to be declining a bit and has experienced some injury problems in the past. I don't really like his demeanor or attitude either. I'm not saying I wouldn't want him on the team, but I wouldn't go overboard in dealing for him.Gerald may not be the future, but the same thing was said about Joe Johnson and look how he turned out. The Celts are notorious for giving up on guys too early, and Gerald could be another case. As for what we could offer instead; future first round picks like the Knicks did to nab Curry. I'm not saying it'll work for sure, but it's possible. If Gerald HAS to be required then maybe it's worth it, but even with O'Neal the Celts aren't going to win a title unless more changes are made, and in 3 years Gerald could be lighting up the league while Pierce and JO finish their primes.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Living_Legend33 @ May 27 2007, 12:46 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I realize he'll probably have to go, but I'm just not a big Jermaine O'Neal fan. Even though he's not 30, he seems to be declining a bit and has experienced some injury problems in the past. I don't really like his demeanor or attitude either. I'm not saying I wouldn't want him on the team, but I wouldn't go overboard in dealing for him.Gerald may not be the future, but the same thing was said about Joe Johnson and look how he turned out. The Celts are notorious for giving up on guys too early, and Gerald could be another case. As for what we could offer instead; future first round picks like the Knicks did to nab Curry. I'm not saying it'll work for sure, but it's possible. If Gerald HAS to be required then maybe it's worth it, but even with O'Neal the Celts aren't going to win a title unless more changes are made, and in 3 years Gerald could be lighting up the league while Pierce and JO finish their primes.</div>JO had a career year, he played through most injuries. He is the best defensive low post player not named Duncan. JO and Pierce = instant contenders.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Living_Legend33 @ May 27 2007, 12:46 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I realize he'll probably have to go, but I'm just not a big Jermaine O'Neal fan. Even though he's not 30, he seems to be declining a bit and has experienced some injury problems in the past. I don't really like his demeanor or attitude either. I'm not saying I wouldn't want him on the team, but I wouldn't go overboard in dealing for him. Gerald may not be the future, but the same thing was said about Joe Johnson and look how he turned out. The Celts are notorious for giving up on guys too early, and Gerald could be another case. As for what we could offer instead; future first round picks like the Knicks did to nab Curry. I'm not saying it'll work for sure, but it's possible. If Gerald HAS to be required then maybe it's worth it, but even with O'Neal the Celts aren't going to win a title unless more changes are made, and in 3 years Gerald could be lighting up the league while Pierce and JO finish their primes.</div> I'm not saying Gerald Green won't be a good player, because I certainly think he will be at the very least a devastating offensive threat. He does have good work ethic, he should expand his game. But I'd rather deal Green and get an All-Star big man than keep Green, wait 2 more years for him to really "get it," and have Paul Pierce ask for a trade in 2008. EDIT: Also, it's not like we'd be losing a giant part of our team if we did trade Gerald. He has a lot of potential, but Tony Allen sure as hell is a nice young wing to have long-term, and having Wally. And I know, we don't know how Tony will recover, but I'm staying optimistic here. TA is a hard worker and he is reportedly ahead of schedule (Doc and Danny both said a couple weeks ago that TA will be ready for camp, which is awesome). I really like Gerald, and he does have star potential, but trading him for a 29 year old All-Star PF/C who is excellent on both ends, is certainly worth it.
Here's a great one from Bill Simmons:Here's a five-way deal that could rejuvenate my beloved Celtics, make the Lakers a contender, make the Bulls favorites in the East, save basketball in Seattle and shake up Indiana:Celtics get: Seattle's No. 2 pick, Vlad Radmanovic, Kwame Brown, Maurice Evans, Chicago's No. 9 pickLakers get: Ray Allen, Jermaine O'Neal, Paul Pierce, Jamaal Tinsley, Ryan GomesSeattle gets: Ben Gordon, Andres Nocioni (sign and trade starting at $6.2 million), Andrew Bynum, Ty Thomas, Adrian Griffin, Boston's No. 5 pick, L.A.'s No. 19 pickIndiana gets: Lamar Odom, Nick Collison, Victor Khryapa, Earl Watson, Boston's No. 32 pickChicago gets: Kobe, Tony Allenthat seems fairly balanced.Of course Simmons manages to get the C's Durant whom he absolutely loves.The Lakers look alarmingly strong wtih Allen, Pierce and O'NealSeattle may balk at giving up Durant and Allen, but if they want a new team for Oklahoma u never now.regardless, it's some pretty good thinking outside the box.and it does work on espn's draft machine.
If that trade happened - you know how good LA would be with Allen - Pierce + O'Neal? Not liking what Boston would really get though.
durant and possibly Noah or Green?what's not to like about that?and we keep Al and Rondome likey likey.there's not way to trade a superstar like Kobe and have every single team come out like a winner.but in this scenario, everyone makes out fairly well.Indiana looks the weakest, but they only give up O'neil and some contracts so they actually make out ok IMO.
Guys, how about this? If we decide to trade down a bit, I think this would be a perfect opportunity to get ourselves the veteran point guard we need: Boston Trades Delonte West Brian Scalabrine (salary matcher) #5 pick #32 pick Charlotte Trades Brevin Knight #8 pick #22 pick
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CelticBalla32 @ Jun 2 2007, 04:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Guys, how about this? If we decide to trade down a bit, I think this would be a perfect opportunity to get ourselves the veteran point guard we need:Boston TradesDelonte WestBrian Scalabrine (salary matcher)#5 pick#32 pickCharlotte TradesBrevin Knight#8 pick#22 pick</div>You want to trade down 3 spots and Delonte for a backup PG? He might start but that's only for maybe a year while Rondo gains experience. He only has one year left on his deal anyway, so you could probably get him for West alone or West and #32.Those three spots are the difference between Brandon Wright and Joakhim Noah. HUGE difference.
